The Cross and the Confederate Flag

Moore to the Point ^ | June 19, 2015 | Russell Moore

[ImJustAnotherOkie]

I don’t think the North has anything to brag about when it comes to resettling blacks after the civil.war. The liberals of today don’t either for that matter. I’d call their track record far less than acceptable but they keep.on with the failed programs.

[IronJack]

The cross and the Confederate flag cannot co-exist without one setting the other on fire.

Hogwash. This idiot needs to learn his history before pontificating. The Confederate Battle Flag can symbolize anything people want it to, but in the end, it was just what its name implies: a battle flag.

The beliefs of the soldiers that fought under it probably varied as much as their clothes, their appearance, and their histories. Yes, some were racist. But some fought out of a sense of honor and duty, and the belief that their state's sovereignty was more important than a tyrannical federal Union.

The problem doesn't lie with the flag. It lies with those people who see only "racist" when they see that symbol.

[no-to-illegals]

Now Hear This ....

No Cross ... No Heritage!!! Hear Me?!?!

[AnAmericanMother]

I disagree completely.

Every symbol has been misused, not just the obvious ones.

The Ku Klux Klan had its own flag (not much seen anymore) but the flag they used was primarily not the Confederate battle flag but the U.S. flag.

In addition, linking the CBF to the Confederate government is tenuous at best. This was not an official flag until late in the war (when it was used as the Naval Jack). In fact, it was rejected as the official flag.

It was the battle standard of various military units as well as the command flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. Those soldiers were fighting for their homeland, not for slavery. See James McPherson's book, Why They Fought. He was or is a professor at Princeton, hardly a bastion of slavery.

So basically what you have left is a small group of segregationist yahoos in the 50s and 60s who hijacked the CBF for their own purposes. That's no reason to ban it - we'd have to ban every symbol (including the Cross - which was flown at Beziers during the massacre of the Albigensians ("kill them all - God will know his own.)")

[ealgeone]

In Christ, we were slaves in Egypt—and as part of the Body of Christ we were all slaves too in Mississippi.

No...we were not all slaves in Egypt....the Jews were slaves in Egypt.

We are not slaves in Mississippi either.

[lentulusgracchus]

[Art.] Even so, that battle flag makes me wince—even though I’m the descendant of Confederate veterans.

Then move to Cleveland. They'll love having you there. They hate the descendants of Confederate veterans; they're about ready to start sticking yellow stars on them. You'll be just in time to watch the fun.

[no-to-illegals]

another shade of ‘miles and miles’ to go

[DoughtyOne]

Who flies the rebel flag because they hate Blacks? Anyone?

If a guy wears that symbol on his jacket, does that mean he hates blacks?

Do any of these people support owning Blacks as slaves?

It has become somewhat of a symbol of a rebellious nature. Moonshiners, non-conformists, a good ole’ (rowdy) southern boy... it’s just a flag or symbol some folks like.

There are a number of things I don’t like seeing in life. Shall I and others make a list so we can all go through our day with nothing that offends?

Get a freakin’ life folks.

[grania]

The author either misses a very big point or is intentionally part of the problem. Pushing an agenda in a time of horrific violence is just wrong.

[no-to-illegals]

‘Americans’ tried their best but the majority ‘hates Us’ ... I understand why ... ‘why do you not’?

[iowamark]

Washington and Jefferson, after all, supported chattel slavery too.

Washington, Jefferson, Madison openly stated that slavery was wrong and looked forward to its' abolition.

The Confederate battle flag was not widely displayed in the South until school desegregation became an issue in the 1950's and it became the flag of the segregationists.

[lentulusgracchus]

[Art.] The idea of a human being attempting to “own” another human being is abhorrent in a Christian view of humanity.

Not true, and ahistorical. Also, counter-Scriptural. When the Roman centurion asked Jesus to heal the centurion's servant, Jesus did not rebuke the man for owning the slave. Slavery was common as grass in the Roman Empire, and slaves' bones (as from Herculaneum) bore the same heavy-labor marks as those of the slaves exhumed and examined from 18th-century New York City cemeteries.

The writer may be some kind of Baptist, but he is a) not a Southerner and b) misrepresenting history, just as if he were a Left-wing scold.

[StoneWall Brigade]

Ping

[LeoWindhorse]

Sorry pal , it isn’t coming down

Deo Vindice

ps: thanks for reminding me to run one up every morning ,
right under Old Glory

[lentulusgracchus]

[Art.] The flag of my home state of Mississippi contains the Confederate Battle Flag as part of it, and I’m deeply conflicted about that.

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Then move to Cleveland. You won't have to worry about it any more, and people there will love you.

Northerners truly bellyfeel Southern renegades and scalawags.

[rockrr]

Who flies the rebel flag because they hate Blacks?

Unfortunately, Dylann Roof does.

[StoneWall Brigade]

Deo Vindice

[no-to-illegals]

‘Suddenly’

[Tigerized]

Funny how I made it through 60+ years of life without thinking of the CBF as THE symbol of slavery and oppression, only to find out recently how ignorant I’ve been for most of my existence.

I really detest the historical revisionism of the left.