Posted on 06/19/2015 10:00:17 AM PDT by don-o
MCLENNAN COUNTY - Law enforcement officials from across the country met at McLennan Community College for four days for a private conference about policing the growth of motorcycle gangs.
The conference, put on by the Midwest Outlaw Motorcycle Gang Investigators Association out of St. Louis, MO, was scheduled before the Twin Peaks shooting May 17 after investigators saw rising tensions between motorcycle gangs on the rise in Central Texas.
"We do a considerable amount of talking about these confederations and coalitions... and try to make them understand a little bit the motives behind these is other than what they advertise," MOMGIA Executive Director, Steve Cook said.
Cook, who's gone undercover with motorcycle gangs in the past, agreed to allow News Channel 25 to report on the conference, but only until after it was over. This was to protect the identities of officers still undercover.
Behind locked doors, officers learned how motorcycle gangs operate, often dealing in drug and human trafficking. Gangs often transport and sell methamphetamine and have a structure similar to military or para-military organizations. Cook said they've seen an influx of gang members that are also a part of motorcycle clubs and club confederations.
"They're absolutely gangs. If you're wearing a 1-percent diamond and you're associating with the individuals these people and associating with the kinds of activities they are, they're a gang by any classification and to take it a step further, they're organized crime," Cooks said.
Cook said nothing much changed in what the officers were learning in the four day long classes because of the Twin Peaks shooting. He said the shooting is just the latest in a long line of biker gang related incidents across the country.
"It's rampant. They're spreading all across the country, all over the world for that matter...You're either going to pay attention to these guys or you're going to ignore them," Cook said.
The "next story headline and sub-heading there;
“I was lied to by the Waco Police.” – F. Clinton Broden, defense attorney
What the lying was about, among other things, was nothing less than Waco police shooting people.
And that wasn't the only thing they lied about, either --- that so far we know about.
When lies told by police-- make it into court -- then what?
“....“The Waco police seem unwilling or unable to tell the public the truth, which is why the Department of Justice must intervene in this case,” said F. Clinton Broden, a Dallas attorney who is representing Matthew Clendennen....”
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Thanks for the link. The only problem with “the Department of Justice must intervene in this case” is that portions (e.g., agencies such as BATF and high-level Obama political appointees) of Obama’s DOJ could well be part of an ongoing criminal enterprise (of which this Waco incident could be an element) meant to advance the Obama regime’s agenda.
“What the lying was about,”
He hints that he was lied to about the cell phone but like a ‘good’ lawyer he is not specific but is good for click-bait.
When you do, you'll find nothing but known gangs --- like 18th Street Crips. And even then, under the law, it would still need to be established that there was participation in organized crime by those individuals who were arrested under that statute.
Yet in this case the Waco PD used the broadest of brushes to tar almost everyone in sight (other than waitress staff who had little twins?) to make things easier on themselves. So screw the law, what matters most is how LEO can simplify in order to make everything easier on (and more $profitable$ for) their own "gang".
Even if there was a intended and deliberately planned "rumble" (which I seriously doubt was deliberately planned & intended to occur) what we can't seem to find any trace of is for Cossacks and Scimitars listed anywhere as criminal "gang" --- and that's spotting LEO all the time & space in the world to have made that claim previous to the 17th of last month.
Which means that quite a lot of the arrest warrants submitted to a Justice of the Peace were in error.
Since the error on the part of the police who submitted the charges, and the prosecutors who ratified those charges, was deliberate on their own part(s), and those charges in regards to many individuals were knowingly baseless (LEO believing their bullshit is not enough of an excuse)----then the police and prosecutors were in collusion with one another to deprive multiple individuals of their natural, God-given rights as recognized under the Constitution.
Which under other laws, is a felony, or at least can be.
We've heard the piggish excuses. It was all about how practical things were from LEO perspective. Laws were bent (and deliberately broken?) to make it easier on LE to arrest & detain without actual due cause & SEIZE PROPERTY without due process.
Among considerations here, even though perhaps not the most glaring (at the moment); civil forfeiture laws need to be changed.
Police agencies profit directly (like a gang enterprise) from whatever they can get away with seizing. It has become legalized theft.
The fix is in, like the mob who once had things fixed for their own benefit, once 'owned' significant numbers of police, judges, and politicians.
Except now, the criminals don't necessarily have eye-talian last names, (and have full-time jobs within government) so are more difficult to identify.
He too is appalled at how Waco PD has conducted themselves.
So run off and go play with all your lying piggie friends, you smug smirking lying little [unprintable].
The lawyer:
Not relevant. This was about a drug case where a person was searched not IAW the search warrant.
Seizing a cell phone at the scene of a multiple homicide as evidence is a whole different issue.
“Yet in this case the Waco PD used the broadest of brushes to tar almost everyone in sight “
If I remember correctly, over 50 bikers were released that day without arrest.
Post the name of the defense att’y you called a shyster, you slanderer of good Freepers.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3301622/posts?page=8#8
And the collusion has already extended to the judicial. At least one judge, at a bond reduction hearing, refused to hear an argument challenging probable cause.
I started a thread this morning for the discussion of probable cause. I found a case from the 2004 Republican Convention in NYC that was finally resolved in 2012. There's also a link to a Texas DA regarding what is actually needed to prosecute under the Organized Crime law.
Have been away from the keys, but, I will get back to it and see if I can get it active.
ISTM that Waco and the County have themselves in a deep hole, which they continue to dig deeper. And I suspect that some one(s) up the food chain are using them like tools.
There are many layers there...
One layer, a political one, is focusing upon "white" Southerners as being evil (for reason of being white Southerners) while the Zippy Admin keeps the border wide friggin' open, as wide as he can for illegal immigrants to continue the slow-motion invasion of the South & West without giving Border Patrol something they can really sink their teeth into and trace all the way back to himself and his political Party.
Those among the BP (and anyone else, too) who raise complaint run into walls of political rhetoric (well tended by the political leftists media establishments & academia) thus in the end getting nowhere (no change from status quo) other than to lose their own individual jobs & careers, if they tried.
What I have noticed is that seemingly ever single 'good' egalitarian cultural instinct that exists is presently being used against us by the Won.
If it is not always done consciously and by design, Zippy's inwards parts (his own lying evil spirit) is aligned with long-stated methodology and aims of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Written sometime in 1987 but not formally published until May 22, 1991, Akram's 18-page document listed the Brotherhood’s 29 likeminded "organizations of our friends" that shared the common goal of dismantling American institutions and turning the U.S. into a Muslim nation. These "friends" were identified by Akram and the Brotherhood as groups that could help convince Muslims "that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions."
Spare us yet more demonstrations of your highly selective "memory", you troll.
You tarred every single individual who WAS arrested (all 177 of them) as having been members of "gangs".
That has been shown over and again to have been utterly false.
And you've yet to retract or apologize for anything. The song has remained the same. It's all been about yourself trying to self-justify.
You have no justification.
Go tell your daddy, or your husband or your boyfriend that you need a spanking.
Ground for that judge being removed from further court proceedings -- perhaps.
Grounds for making the request that judge being removed from presiding over any of the individual cases, for a certainty?
Which could set up grounds for appeal. Yet LEO and the judiciary doesn't seem to care. It's no skin off their own noses, personally --- while otherwise everything is personal to the extreme for those who a court would give the stiff-arm "speak to the hand" treatment to.
“Ground for that judge being removed from further court proceedings — perhaps.”
Not likely. Obviously you are ignorant of the requirements of bond reduction hearing.
“That has been shown over and again to have been utterly false.”
Has not been shown false.
You are an IDIOT (at best!).
Now go find a freeway to play in. May you encounter many new acquaintances there...
“the Bandidos were the aggressors, that the only times Cossacks engaged in violence was in reaction to being attacked/harassed by Bandidos.”
So why are the independent clubs [Christian Clubs, Veterans Clubs, lovers of antique bikes, shop owners, etc.] still members of the Confederation of Clubs, and paying dues to the Bandidos, in order to merely ride “free” in the State of Texas (or any other place), which neither the Bandidos or Cossacks can in any way by any stretch of the imagination, be deemed to own? To ride free, the legitimate non-gang clubs need to have the courage of their convictions, and cut all ties. Not change allegiance from the Bandidos to the Cossacks, but to tell the lot of them to bug off trying to control the real bikers. This is what I have not been able to understand on these threads.
If the Cossacks can challenge Bandido hegemony in Texas, and die for it, why can’t the real riders also refute and refuse any and all association and just ride free as legitimate clubs? WHO is stopping them? If it is fear, well they have to just get over it. For evil to reign, it takes only the good to remain silent or complicit. Getting a few teeth knocked in is better than signing one’s soul over to a Devil.
Or is the Bandido aggression against the Cossacks taking its toll on the legitimate bikers? They don’t want to be beaten by hammers, stabbed, shot, or have their clubs burned down of course! But they cannot remain silent and complicit either. And after all they outnumber the 1 %ers by 99%.
It pains and hurts to have to say that. But.....
And I can still remember when one could consider the policeman to be your friend.
Usually when a case like Ybarra is decided there is an immediate and resounding effort to comply. An example would be Miranda. I can't remember the case name but there was a case in 2009 regarding search incident to arrest that did the same thing.
” but I wonder if Ybarra is the correct one.”
You have stated it well. Ybarra was not the correct one. The dissenters basically said that yes a warrant had to specify the persons and place but once at the place of the warrant you could essentially do a ‘Terry stop’ on anyone in the place particularly if it was a small place and the officers had some reasonable fear that the occupants might be carrying weapons.
But as you and I have said, this was not about the execution of a warrant. Here the police were at the scene of a multiple murder gang riot and seized the phone as possible evidence. No warrant would be required to seize the phone although one was required in order to search the phone.
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