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To: daniel1212

1) The stuff you’ve copied-and-pasted was written when clericalism was at a high-water mark. There is no subject on which some clerics are as likely to wax rhapsodic as the respect and submission that are owed to clerics. All their moral capital was squandered a long time ago. No Catholic is bound by the outbursts of every hyper-emotional Italian.

2) In apparitions APPROVED BY THE CHURCH, our Blessed Mother speaks emphatically about BAD BISHOPS, BAD CARDINALS, and even a BAD POPE. It would be nonsensical for Mary to warn us about bad hierarchs if we were FORBIDDEN TO DISCERN which hierarchs ARE bad and which ones ARE faithful.

3) At this point, I invite you to take up your beef with Mary, the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, the Mother of God, the Queen of Heaven, the Queen of the Angels, Co-Redemptrix, and Mediatrix of All Graces, about her disrespect for the Pope, Cardinals, and Bishops of the Church.


413 posted on 06/21/2015 5:32:35 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

“3) At this point, I invite you to take up your beef with Mary, the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, the Mother of God, the Queen of Heaven, the Queen of the Angels, Co-Redemptrix, and Mediatrix of All Graces, about her disrespect for the Pope, Cardinals, and Bishops of the Church.”

A good example of idolatry and paganism by a catholic priest.

What it isn’t is Christian. You did get her actual name, Mary, correct. The rest was from the pit.


417 posted on 06/21/2015 8:25:19 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: Arthur McGowan
At this point, I invite you to take up your beef with Mary, the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, the Mother of God, the Queen of Heaven, the Queen of the Angels, Co-Redemptrix, and Mediatrix of All Graces, about her disrespect for the Pope, Cardinals, and Bishops of the Church.

That Mary is not the Mary of Scripture.

We'll pass on getting involved with the demonic, thank you.

420 posted on 06/21/2015 9:37:20 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
At this point, I invite you to take up your beef with Mary, the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, the Mother of God, the Queen of Heaven, the Queen of the Angels, Co-Redemptrix, and Mediatrix of All Graces, about her disrespect for the Pope, Cardinals, and Bishops of the Church.

Sorry; but the 'beef' is all Rome's.

Mary of the bible is NONE of the things that Rome has saddled her with!

Spouse of the HS? (Not found in Scripture.)

Mother of GOD (Not found in Scripture.)

Queen of Heaven? (Not found in Scripture.)

Queen of the Angels (Not found in Scripture.)

Co-Redemptrix (Not found in Scripture.)

Mediatrix of All Graces (Not found in Scripture.)

438 posted on 06/21/2015 1:54:38 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
I did not see your response till today when i was looking at past material, so i will respond now.

The stuff you’ve copied-and-pasted was written when clericalism was at a high-water mark.

Which is defended as being part of true Catholicism, and such was written by popes, requiring submission even to social teaching. And does not warrant your cafeteria consent, dismissing an almost 44,000 word encyclical which is provided as teaching how RC faith and moral teaching applies to current realities, as perceived by your claimed vicar of Christ.

More on that, and some source corrections are here .

Moreover, by your logic one can dismiss contrary modern teaching based upon it coming out of a period when clericalism is at a low-water mark. Which hardly has any moral capital.

No Catholic is bound by the outbursts of every hyper-emotional Italian.

A misrepresentative attempt to dismiss assent to papal encyclicals and other public teaching.

) In apparitions APPROVED BY THE CHURCH, our Blessed Mother speaks emphatically about BAD BISHOPS, BAD CARDINALS, and even a BAD POPE. It would be nonsensical for Mary to warn us about bad hierarchs if we were FORBIDDEN TO DISCERN which hierarchs ARE bad and which ones ARE faithful.

Which private revelations no one is required to give Catholic assent to, unlike papal and other magisterial teaching. Meanwhile, it may be nonsensical for Rome to sanction teaching which is contrary to other sanctioned teaching, but there is nothing new here. RCs are to submit to how the current leadership manifests they understand this, rather than having divisions based upon their understanding of what was taught in the past.

At this point, I invite you to take up your beef with Mary,

The The MARY of CATHOLICISM is simply not the humble holy Mary of Scripture, nor is Rome the NT church .

544 posted on 07/05/2015 12:00:34 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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