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"If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures." - Alexander Hamilton
 
"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all." -- President Ronald Reagan
 
"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine 1792
 
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." - Samuel Adams
 
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
 

1 posted on 06/18/2015 10:38:37 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; Kale; Jarhead9297; COUNTrecount; notaliberal; DoughtyOne; MountainDad; aposiopetic; ...
    Ted Cruz Ping!

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    Please beware, this is a high-volume ping list!

    CRUZ or LOSE!

2 posted on 06/18/2015 10:39:02 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Good, bad or ugly.

The GOP now owns this bill with 190 GOP reps voting for this bill in the house.


3 posted on 06/18/2015 10:41:21 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance.)
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To: SoConPubbie

my head hurts from this issue. I believe Cruz. But most are not going to take the time to read what’s going on. We are a very reactionary country. As are all people I guess.
This bill will create jobs in some areas and take away in others. Adjusting is what life is all about, I guess. I could be wrong.


6 posted on 06/18/2015 10:46:46 AM PDT by dp0622
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To: SoConPubbie

This is all about irresponsibility. They are giving the kool aid decision to Obama who they might as well call Rabi Auschwitz.


7 posted on 06/18/2015 10:46:59 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: SoConPubbie

When Cruz states the United State has not signed on to the immigration sections of TPP, just exactly who is he talking about ? Obama’s lawyers ? Our legislators have had no input into TPP.


9 posted on 06/18/2015 10:48:31 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yeah Ted, the US Constitution wasn’t a living document when it was signed either.


11 posted on 06/18/2015 10:49:28 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Lex rex)
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>>> Does TPA give up the Senate’s treaty power? No. Under the Constitution, there are two ways to make binding law: (1) through a treaty, ratified by two-thirds of the Senate ......

Sorry. Cruz' points may be in theory, not in current reality. Some one else put it like this (h/t: sevenwheel)

I've lived in and around Chicago my entire life, and what we have been seeing during the course of the Obama administration is very familiar. The administration is attempting to recast the United States Congress into a national version of the Chicago City Council, with the President playing the part of the Mayor.
Chicago has, in theory, a legislative body, the City Council, that in theory drafts, debates and votes on city ordinances. The political reality is quite different. The Aldermen do not draft ordinances or craft legislation. All ordinances and legislation come directly from the Mayor's office. The Aldermen are expected and required to vote lockstep with the mayor. In exchange, they are given enough political power to dish out political favors and enough financial support to defeat their opposition and remain Aldermen for life. They can make calls to get potholes fixed, move permits through City Hall, get broken trash cans replaced, and get extra police patrols. They get unofficial veto power over liquor licenses and business licenses. Corruption is tolerated and overlooked, and in a certain sense expected and required for those seeking to advance in City government. Anyone who votes against the Mayor, or tries to fight corruption, or seems too clean to trust finds themselves shut out. ..... (you can read more at link)

16 posted on 06/18/2015 10:55:33 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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The Republicans are mounting the most egregious betrayal of their country in history. Ted Cruz is right with them. That talking point crap can’t spin it away.


19 posted on 06/18/2015 10:59:00 AM PDT by odawg
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Right now it’s not an agreement at all, Ted.

And a very strong bipartisan cross section of the country prefers that it remain not an agreement.

Do you believe in government representing the people, or in government representing your wife’s very lucrative employment?

Pick one, and only one.


22 posted on 06/18/2015 11:01:54 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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And, regardless, no trade agreement can change U.S. law; only Congress can change U.S. law.

Does the president know that Senator? The ObamaCare law has been changed, delayed, ignored dozens of times, by this president and no one in either House has done one thing to prevent it.

24 posted on 06/18/2015 11:06:27 AM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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More Boilerplate Talking points.

Tell us SoCon, what do YOU really think of TPP?

Can you guarantee that it will be beneficial to the United States as whole and to us lowly American Citizens as individuals?

Or does it sell us down the river to the Chinese and every other country that signed it?

Do you actually believe that Obama negotiated a treaty that benefits the United States?

25 posted on 06/18/2015 11:07:09 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Saying that ISIL is not Islamic is like saying Obama is not an Idiot.)
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I’m not buying. I have been a Cruz fan but this sticks in my craw.


28 posted on 06/18/2015 11:09:44 AM PDT by marron
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It's breaking my heart, really. I want to vote for Cruz. I've wanted to for quite some time. At the same time, I can no longer just hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil. I love my Country far too much to do so any longer. What Cruz is failing to understand is that the current Congress was elected to STOP obola, every single time. This is NOT stopping obola, one bit. I don't rightly care how wrong the myths are, voting to give obola 'Fast Track' authority to negotiate these deals is NOT voting to stop him. REAL CONSERVATIVES(tm) want obola stopped, period. We don't want him slowed. We don't want him politically impaired. WE WANT HIM STOPPED.

This does NOT stop obola.

33 posted on 06/18/2015 11:15:56 AM PDT by dware (Yeah, so? What are you going to do about it?)
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Does the United States give up Sovereignty by entering into TPP? No. Nothing in the agreement forces Congress to change any law.

While this is technically correct (it does not FORCE congress to change laws) it results in the loss of sovereignty.

Last week congress voted to remove country of origin labels from meat following a WTO ruling courtesy of NAFTA. This was done to prevent trade sanctions. The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, which repealed restrictions between commercial and investment banking (Glass–Steagall Act), turning the entire industry into a Wall street casino was also necessary for NAFTA compliance.

Free trade "treaties" are a direct assault against our sovereignty.

35 posted on 06/18/2015 11:17:30 AM PDT by Roland (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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There are going to be a lot of Cruz bashers on this thread, so I figured I'd repost something I said earlier in the week....

 

You pretty much need "fast track" in order to get any negotiated treaty passed, because you can't have a finished treaty be amended by congress, since that would require that version to be resubmitted back to the treaty partners for approval.

That said, it doesn't remove the Constitutional necessity of having a 2/3 majority to approve them.

Calling them "trade agreements" to get around the 2/3 requirements rather than simply having up/down votes on them as treaties is dishonest. Of course anyone who looks for honesty from our government is a fool who will ultimately be disappointed. Our feral government will do what it wants, when it wants to get what will most quickly enrich the oligarchy.

I think Cruz would have done better to have fought this from the perspective of this undermining of Constitutional authority. That would put him clearly on the side of supporting a 'fast track' provision for treaty negotiations, while at the same time opposing this particular legislation because it undermines the Constitution and the Senate's advice and consent powers/requirements.

57 posted on 06/18/2015 12:13:48 PM PDT by zeugma (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3294350/posts)
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bump


70 posted on 06/18/2015 1:17:44 PM PDT by gibsosa
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The more he spins this issue, the more he convinces people they’re being hustled.


80 posted on 06/18/2015 3:24:26 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat ( The ballot is a suggestion box for slaves and fools.)
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