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To: ansel12

Ad hominem assaults upon my “loyalty” are just cheap attempts to drown out my words. It is my observation is that the over-expanded NATO will not hold together under stress. That is not a wish; it is an opinion. And it looks like European public opinion is breaking down as I have predicted.


35 posted on 06/11/2015 10:49:05 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
(V)oice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
The EU certainly learned that lesson from Goering and applied it. The elites always operate independently from public opinion over there, and even shape public opinion.
36 posted on 06/11/2015 11:03:23 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Always A Marine
Why, of course the people don’t want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
From the same interview with Goering in 1946.
37 posted on 06/11/2015 11:05:16 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Always A Marine

You made your own anti-American propaganda post, I didn’t make it for you.

NATO is holding, and will hold, and we will defeat your man in Russia, if he invades our NATO borders.

Even while you work to weaken American resolve.


38 posted on 06/11/2015 11:31:52 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Always A Marine; ansel12

It is my observation is that the over-expanded NATO will not hold together under stress. That is not a wish; it is an opinion. And it looks like European public opinion is breaking down as I have predicted.


Not correct. Many of the most loyal members of NATO are the “over extended” new members. Meanwhile, socialist leaning Germany was trying to surrender the Cold War from the 1960s on. This limp attitude toward Russia is not new at all and I am quite surprised that you as “always a Marine” didn’t know that.

It was well known during the Cold War that the US military positioned units in critical areas of Germany because it questioned if they would actually fight a Soviet invasion. What we see in the article is nothing new, unfortunately.


61 posted on 06/11/2015 4:09:55 PM PDT by lodi90
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