The Gay Community's Contribution To Bringing Down The Duggars

Multiple | June 8, 2015

[Pinkbell]

In a minute, I will get to the two gay persons involved in exposing this and the porn history behind the magazine In Touch.

First, I of course want to say that Josh Duggar’s actions were inexcusable, lest anyone accuse me of supporting what he did. I realize the media would have had no “dirt” on them had this not happened. That said, I listened to the interview with his parents, and I listened to the interview with the victims. I do believe the parents tried to do the right thing. They ultimately did get him help and contact the authorities. Say what you will about the help that they got Josh, but it seemed to work. There has been no indication from even the media that he has ever done something since he was 15. If he has, then I take that back, but there is no proof that he has.

The thing that I am getting at is that this is bigger in the liberal media than I believe it would have been had this happened to a liberal family. When the news of this molestation scandal came out, the first thing that I thought is, "They finally got them." There are a couple different websites, one in particular, who have disliked the Duggars for years due to their conservative, Christian beliefs. The one thing the Duggars did which essentially "doomed" them was to speak out against the gay agenda. It's not that the Duggars have ever said they hate gay people. Michelle's sister happens to be a lesbian, and they still love her. The Duggars simply believe marriage is between one man and one woman and children need to have a mother and father. Michelle Duggar made a robocall against a transgender bill out of concern that a man could claim to "feel" he is a woman to be able to use the womens' room to prey on a woman or young girls. She never said that ALL or even a majority of transgender people are child molestors like the media is playing it off as.

That brings me to my point, one of the sites is a site where the majority of posters do not like the Duggars or "fundies" or conservatives in general. Anyway, this person was linked as the person who tipped off In Touch or at least helped. She and her partner are lesbians who gave the dirt to In Touch [no idea how she knew], but she has a history of not liking the Duggars. Michelle Duggar making a robocall arguing against transgenders in the bathrooms really set her and her partner off. They organized a gay "kiss in" in front of the Duggars home. She is very proud of herself, and here is a link to her claiming credit for the In Touch story:

http://imgur.com/QjT4Pwy

Second of all, the writer who broke the story for In Touch is a gay man who also broke the story of John Edwards with Rielle Hunter. I mention the latter because it does show he is willing to throw the other side under the bus for a good story, but I think he relished throwing the Duggars under the bus. He did an interview with The Advocate:

19 Questions With the Gay Journalist Who Brought Down the Duggars

Here are a few key questions I excerpted to illustrate my point:

The Advocate: Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?

Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job.

Were you aware the family had a history of homophobia and transphobia?

I assumed they weren't fans of our community because they were such Bible-thumping conservative Christians, and I knew Josh Duggar worked for the Family Research Council. I learned a lot more about them when I was doing research for this story. I was disgusted by Michelle's robocall to the citizens of Fayetteville, Ark., regrading trans women and restrooms and comparing them to child molesters when she knew about her son’s actions.

Why do you think the Duggars are so popular?

Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country still have the same beliefs [as the Duggars] so they put the Duggars on a pedestal. On the other hand, I think a lot of the country and the world are very happy that their hypocrisy has been uncovered. Now, they’re more popular than ever though.

What's been your favorite response to the story?

When people thank me for doing God's work. Of course, now that the story is out, everyone I meet tells me the same thing, which is, "I knew it! I just knew something weird was going on in that family." Of course, "weird" is a major understatement; it was a crime.

Can't you dig up something good on that racist, antigay Duck Dynasty clan?

I’ll get on that, but I don’t think we’re done with the Duggars yet.

http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2015/06/04/19-questions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars

Here is some info regarding In Touch and its connection to porn as well:

The Wrap reported in 2013:

But an investigation by TheWrap has found that there is a darker side to the privately held company, including publication of at least one magazine appealing to neo-Nazis, as well as significant involvement in the distribution of pornography — including Nazi-themed porn movies.

These lend perspective to Bauer’s legal woes in the United States, including a $50 million defamation lawsuit by Tom Cruise, filed last October after two U.S.-based publications alleged he’d abandoned his daughter Suri. In fact, Bauer generates dozens of legal complaints worldwide each year about invasion of privacy or libel, according to a lawyer who has frequently opposed them.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/06/06/meet-the-terrible-porn-publisher-behind-the-outing-of-the-duggar-abuse-story/

The two sites mentioned have a lot of posters who have wanted the Duggars off the air for a long time, and the bottom line is because they are “fundies” or very conservative Christians. They were looking for something, anything to get them, and they got it. I saw one post from a poster who said they were disappointed this had to be this type of scandal because it involved molestation, but they wanted something, and others agreed. Another poster on the second forum who was a liberal was actually disgusted that some liberal friends on Facebook were rejoicing over this because they hate the Duggars.

These people say they just care about the girls...all while bashing their family by calling them a cult, creepy, weird, etc. and then proudly calling for the show to be cancelled...what they've wanted for years but didn't have a valid reason to do so. This isn't primarily about the girls to them, and Jessa said so last night on Megyn Kelly. This is about taking this family down all the while trying to be sympathetic. Does this journalist care what he put those girls through? They say they feel worse now than when it happened? No. He's proud of himself, and he is still digging.

My final point is that people say the Duggars are getting more heat because they held themselves up as “moral arbitrators,” and therefore, they are hypocrites. Isn’t this always the spiel with the liberals regarding conservatives? If a conservative has sinned or has a bad past, does that mean that he/she can’t speak out for conservative, Christian issues today? Josh, by all accounts so far, has turned his life around, so it’s not as if he is saying one thing and doing another. If he was still doing it or it was done as an adult and covered up, I would agree with them. Do they ever so severely call out their own who act as “moral arbitrators” for the modern, secular humanist agenda that rules today’s society?

[jimbo807]

At this point all we have is a mealy mouthed self-centered statement by the pervert. So, no, at this point he is not redeemed.

[DrewsMum]

Hiding from who? The likes of people who are saying nothing but what a horrible, vile, disgusting human he is?

Maybe he’s dealing with the fact that something that is supposed to be under the blood of Jesus Christ, is coming back to ruin his life.

[jimbo807]

Oh please. He has mommy and daddy and the sisters he fondled out doing battle for him. Coward.

[DrewsMum]

Let he who is without sin....

[jimbo807]

Since no one is without sin, no one can say anything. Nice and tidy application of scripture.

[apoliticalone]

The haters in the media, and the in the left have a lot in common. They use up people as a commodity for their profits and then they dispose of them.

These are the same people that went after Michael Jackson as a pedophile, and then when he died they worked to change his image and put his music on a pedestal so their Hollywood cronies and promoters could make a ton of money posthumously. Their concern was money not righteous.

Scruples, respect and loyalty is an alien concept to these media people.

[Fuzz]

“You are conflating a young boy who fondled his sisters as a “child molester.” While this is very objectionable, it does not make of him a “Child Molester” in the normal understanding of the word. For one, he himself was a child.”

It’s strange seeing the reactions to this story when compared to the pool party in Texas. In the Duggar case a 14 year old committed disgusting crimes, but is just a child and should be forgiven and protected. At the pool party a 14 year old gets mouthy with a cop who appears to be out of control and is violently thrown to the ground because she’s a dangerous thug.

[DrewsMum]

Please show me that in the Bible.

Not being snarky, but if it’s biblically speaking, I’d like to see that in chapter and verse. I mean the exact age. I understand it’s somewhere in that range...but it takes into account the individual. It’s not the same for everyone. However, he obviously knew it was wrong, so I don’t see what the age of accountabilty has to do with anything.

He was accountable for his offenses. So because he wasn’t punished to your satisfaction, he obviously didn’t repent? He never tried to turn his life around?

So what punishment should he receive NOW, as a grown man with a family, for something he did when he was 12, 13, 14? Do tell.

[apoliticalone]

The “Democratic” partisan liberal left elites are intent on creating a hate filled philosophy that “Christians” are now an evil threat and need to be loaded on train cars and shipped somewhere never to be seen again. They’ve been working this gig subliminally and intently for decades.

[DrewsMum]

Well hello there Jesus Christ. I didn’t know you posted on FR.

BY THE WAY, the only thing Biblically required to others regarding our sin, is a STATEMENT.

[jimbo807]

I said it was traditional. A simple google search on your part can confirm that. The point being that he was a child at 14 is ludicrous. Plus he was also doing this at 15 - which is when he felt up his 5 year old sister. In any case, he was damn well aware of what he was doing.

Punishment? Completely discredited and out of the public eye. And take the cult family with him. I’d like to see more, but the statute of limitations precludes that.

[mountn man]

You seem to conveniently miss the point that he did receive counseling BEFORE he was 18.

The study quoted NEVER said ANYTHING about them having licensed or unlicensed therapy.

What it did say was this:
Similarly, clinical data point to variability in risk for future sex offending as an adult. Multiple short- and long-term clinical followup studies of juvenile sex offenders consistently demonstrate that a large majority (about 85–95 percent) of sex-offending youth have no arrests or reports for future sex crimes. When previously sex-offending youth do have future arrests, they are far more likely to be for nonsexual crimes such as property or drug offenses than for sex crimes (Alexander, 1999; Caldwell, 2002; Reitzel and Carbonell, 2007)

Nothing about counseling.

I knew exactly what the stats said for your information. There are many studies out there. Not all of them so ‘hopeful’

You know sh.. You're just grasping.

I just looked at just the first 10 reports. NONE of them hint at what you claim as being "not all as hopeful"

You claim that I'm the one who can't back anything up.

Here you go.
Google search "doj study on juvenile sex offenders molestations"

There's a whole list of studies for your perusal. MAYBE you can find one that will back up what you say.

Here is the DOJ study that I actually quoted:
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/227763.pdf

Tell you what Buttercup. I posted my sources AND I did actual quotes.

Put up or shut up.

Let's see these so called studies that you've SUPPOSEDLY read.

Google is a miracle.
If these reports exist that you've SUPPOSEDLY read, then you should find them...
in oh...
A FEW SECONDS...maybe a few minutes AT MOST.

[DrewsMum]

Oh dear. Read your Bible. UNREPENTED SIN.

Have you ever sinned? Repented?

[jimbo807]

Really? All you need to do is make a statement? Where is that verse?

[DrewsMum]

So he shouldn’t be forgiven?

[jimbo807]

I give no quarter to false christians. They can repent all they want.

[mountn man]

Court approved treatment for juvvie sex offenders ALWAYS lasts more than the 3 or 4 months Josh was at that facility

Its not polite to fart in public.

Translation: You're talking out your a--.

You have no clue what you speak of. You're just trying to sound authoritative...
and failing miserably.

[ElayneJ]

I’m not sure that his statement was self-centered, but - OK. I’m getting the picture that there’s nothing this guy has done, is doing, or will ever do that might be enough to atone for past wrongdoing - in your eyes.

[mountn man]

I give no quarter to false christians. They can repent all they want.

I give no quarter to a--holes.

And you're an a--hole.

You know nothing about Christianity and yet feel your qualified to judge them.

You're not smart enough to judge anyone.

You're a rube played by the MSM and too ignorant to know it.

[DrewsMum]

Ok so the punishment for crimes in our teens should be to destroy our family and take away or livelihood by discrediting any accomplishments from our adulthood? and oh, not be in the public eye? Where is that law written?

Punish 28 year olds for what they did as young teens. Even though they confessed and owned up to it then. Even though it’s not their fault they weren’t hung in the public square before their 15th birthday.

That’s not Biblical. By the way.