Posted on 06/03/2015 5:31:29 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
WACO TEXAS – Twenty-five bikers arrested in the May 17 shootout at Twin Peaks have been released from jail since Thursday, when prosecutors and defense attorneys started negotiating the reduction of bonds.
Two of those released recently include Sandra “Drama” Lynch, of Mart, and her husband, Mike, a plumber.
Sandra Lynch is a well-known advocate for bikers’ rights who reserved the patio for the meeting of a regional bikers’ rights coalition two weeks ago at Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco.
The deadly shootout erupted in the Twin Peaks parking lot about 30 minutes before that meeting was to begin.
Also released on a reduced bond this week was Matthew Clendennen, 30, of Hewitt, who filed a federal civil rights suit against the city of Waco and McLennan County last week, alleging he was wrongfully arrested and detained.
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Ok. I see your point now. Understood.
At issue is not whether there are criminals in the world, nor whether some of them ride motorcycles. Some drive, some are driven, some have jets, and some ride in limos, while a bunch of them walk or take the bus or subway.
What is at issue is whether the people at the Twin Peaks were all criminals as many here assert. We have seen repeated posts that two thirds had no criminal record, and even a criminal record does not mean they were engaged in criminal activity at the time.
We have, in the American system of jurisprudence, something called the "presumption of innocence". I am not seeing that in play with numerous posters here who have it just backwards and are applying that twisted logic to the entire group present, well, because they were present.
I have never been a member of a 1% group, but I have been often in the presence of members of such groups, at numerous and various club functions, ABATE rallys, toy runs, and multiple times at Sturgis.
What I have not seen is the overt conduct of criminal activity. That isn't because I have bad vision, but because any criminal activity is kept out of the public eye.
I have seen as many as ten different patches in the same bar, all getting along just fine, because the purpose for being there was to discuss legislative issues. Inter club and intra club problems would be aired in the appropriate venue--not such meetings.
This was, as advertized, a Confederation of Clubs and Independents meeting. That is the sort of meeting where patch holders and independents gather to discuss legislative issues, event calendars to avoid conflicts in scheduling charity runs and fundraisers so attendance can be maximized within any region or area.
So there are likely to be a large number of people present representing groups which do not engage in any criminal activity (unless you count the occasional incident of driving too fast).
This wasn't a Banditos function as some assert, although there were Banditos present. It wasn't a Cossacks function, either. Any breach of peace at this sort of meeting is way out of line.
Since these are normally (overwhelmingly) peaceful functions, the presence of SWAT, ATF, and other law enforcement elements raises questions. Especially considering their advantageous tactical positions and apparent callous disregard for those present who were not involved, the number of fatalities, and the sequestration of witnesses and evidence. The blanket roundup style arrest is questionable as well, considering universal ridiculous bonds and the tardiness of their reduction. It should have been simple enough to weed out the known miscreants and actors from those who were not involved in any wrongdoing unless there is a presumption of guilt merely by being present.
That has implications for everyone who spends any time in public. That lethal force was likely applied in the presence of a large number of people downrange when the threat to LEOs is questionable is another dangerous precedent. The absence of video justifying the shoot by LEOs is striking--such exculpatory evidence is usually released almost immediately to the press--and the absence thereof hints strongly that the recordings, should they still exist, show police actions as less than justified.
I also object to the pejorative "gangs", mainly because it is applied willy-nilly to any motorcycle group flying a patch--whether they are the Hell's Angels or the CMA.
That assumption that anyone on a motorcycle who isn't riding a crotch rocket in a t-shirt, sandals, and shorts is some sort of social monster is pure BS. The leathers are protective clothing, more resistant to abrasion than virtually any other fabric. They come in a variety of colors, most of them black. The very expensive brightly colored ones are normally worn by people engaged in racing, who have sponsors with deep pockets.
Yes, ansel, I know about "outlaw gangs" but the minute one engages in the pejorative assumption of individual guilt going on around here they become part of the Star Chamber, and I'm not going there.
We have the rights of the accused to guard against such crap. I will stick with those rights, and try not to play the guilt by association game.
These trolls are likely paid agents of the feral gummint.
Thank you for the “special” education addressed to one who needs it.
geoffb5 says:
June 4, 2015 at 1:24 am
In Dallas the bond for “engaging in organized criminal activity” is just $150,000 and that of “sexual assault” on minor is just $25,000. This is to provide some perspective of how the Waco police and their JP view the bikers in relation to other criminals and their actions.
To: Smokin' Joe
and even in those organizations not all are engaged in criminal activity.
That is a flat out lie, everyone in the gang is a part of the criminal enterprise, it is what makes them an outlaw gang, and separates them from the straights that merely own motorcycles.
64 posted on 6/3/2015, 8:17:11 PM by ansel12
Waco has nothing to do with my post correcting your ignorance of the Hell’s Angels and outlaw gangs.
And I don't care. Ha!!
Can't be too far from where you get your "zero proof" blanket condemnations. Hope you're never on a jury I have to face.
Pearls before swine, Friend...
Mind reading again ansel?
You don't know what I know, but I am trying to stay a little bit on topic (see the title of the thread). But do keep up with the strawmen. It is your best argument style.
In nature, nothing is 100% as you assert, and there is almost always something in the punchbowl.
You need to visit one of their club houses and see them among themselves, in their own privacy, then you would see that there are no innocents in the club, that behind closed doors, the crime is open and shared.
If you want to know the inner workings of a club, you will have to be a member (or a narc/undercover posing as one).
I have been in a slew of clubhouses over the 40 or so years I have been riding. When it comes down to time for a meeting, either you have business there, you are a prospect (and sometimes not then) or it is time to leave.
Some clubhouses you will only see a fraction of.
If you claim such intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the organizations you indicate, then either you were a member, a narc, or are living vicariously. Or you are the liar. Which is it?
Outlaw gangs? Bandidos, Hells Angels, or just motorcycle club houses?
You not knowing what an outlaw gang is?
Are you another one that thinks that they are simply motorcycle riding clubs, and that occasionally a criminal finds his way in, but that the other members remind him that they are not a criminal enterprise, so the gang will never order killings, or move drugs, or run drug networks and run prostitutes, and conduct other illegal gang activities?
You are still off topic. Enough with the strawmen.
Seriously, were you a guest in the outlaw club houses?
You sure tried to give that impression, were they?
I have said all I will say on that. Quit fishing.
I think you were trying to mislead us by yet again, the mixing of outlaw criminal gangs, and merely motorcycle clubs of normal guys.
You will likely even twist that.
Nope. I'm not playing.
Bye.
I haven’t twisted anything you have said, but since I corrected you about 1%s, you have tried all kinds of misleading games.
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