Posted on 05/21/2015 1:02:11 PM PDT by fwdude
Working on a thesis for an essay. The title pretty much is the entire thing in a complete nutshell.
This applies mainly to the recent actions of the HomoFascist movement, but is true across the board.
Thoughts?
It kind of depends on what kind of “right” you are talking about. If you are talking about “liberty rights”, then yes, all that is required is that others don’t interfere with your exercise of the right.
Many of our fundamental “natural rights” fall under that category: the right to self defense, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, etc. You could also include many “civil rights”, such as the right to vote, or the right to legal representation under this category.
However, there is also the concept of “claim rights”. These are trickier, because they do depend on the action or inaction of others. For example, we claim the “right to life” or “right to property”, but our claim depends on the general cooperation of others. If there is no enforcement of statutes against murder, say, then my right to life is debatable. I can still assert the right, but it is of little practical use in such a situation.
So “claim rights” might run afoul of your definition. Those rights are kind of negative rights, telling others what they can’t do, rather than saying that you have a right to do something. So they cannot be said to exist without coercing cooperation from others.
Shouldn’t a just an rightous government be a right of all people? Then, shouldn’t this be provided without cost to all as well?
You talking about private property/business? One absolutely has every tight in the world to serve or not serve on one’s own private property. Of course our d-bag gov. Does not recognize that right, but that is not the point.
“One absolutely has every tight in the world to serve or not serve on one’s own private property. “
I guess you missed that whole Jim Crow thing.
Meaning?
I think that you, and others here, are overthinking this issue of rights.
Here’s the bottom line: genuine Rights exist for an individual whether there are other around you or not. Others cannot help you realize these rights, because they are individual. If they require the forced cooperation of others, through their labor, resources, or even their ascent, to be realized, then these “rights” are proven false.
My right to the pursuit of happiness depends on the coerced cooperation of you to go into my plantation fields and pick my cotton for me.
-PJ
Sorry - there is an implicit right to choose whom you associated with, which necessarily includes the right to exclude others.
Jim Crow laws actually placed restrictions on businesses, like the current "anti-discrimination" laws. They were laws telling you who you could, and couldn't, serve, and how you were to serve them. People in these jurisdictions couldn't serve blacks even if they wanted to.
No one can force me to provide any service that I deem inappropriate. Is that explicit enough for you. I will answer to GOD, not to men.
It's also the soul of lingerie.
My Brother’s Keeper is the belief system of the elites you, and Bastiat refer to.
Goad asked Cain a question. Cain did not want to deal with God’s question. So Cain expressed a non-sequitor. That non-sequitor is now the basis of secularism, mainline Christianity, liberation theology and the Progressive movement.
My Brother’s Keeper is Obama’s favorite program. In its essence, it is a society where the elite run a plantation where people are treated kindly and not beaten or choked or shot. The only unpardonable action is to leave the plantation.
And yes, you white folks are on the plantation too.
“I think that you, and others here, are overthinking this issue of rights.”
There have been hundreds of years of thinking about rights to take into account. It’s not a simple issue you can summarize with a single sentence.
“Others cannot help you realize these rights, because they are individual. If they require the forced cooperation of others, through their labor, resources, or even their ascent, to be realized, then these “rights” are proven false.”
If your assertion is true, then you have no right to life or property, since those rights rely on others assenting to not deprive you of them. What possible meaning can “right to life” or “right to property” have unless they mean the right not to be deprived of those things by others?
Freedom of association has nothing to do with businesses.
No. We have a right of self determination, which is a collective right, as a people, to determine our own form of government. It’s not a right to a good government, or the best government, just a right to a government of our choosing.
Just like freedom of the press has nothing to do with business.
Legally, businesses are considered “persons”.
“Just like freedom of the press has nothing to do with business.”
Nope, I wouldn’t say that.
“Legally, businesses are considered “persons”.”
Sure, but the common notion that “freedom of association” gives you or your business a right to refuse service to anyone is simply false. It has nothing to do with that.
Actually, let me amend my previous comment. Corporations are considered persons for some legal purposes (but not all, for example, a corporation cannot marry). Businesses that aren’t incorporated are NOT considered persons under the law.
No, you will answer to the government like the Lord tells you to do.
Rom 13:1-3
(1) Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
(2) Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
(3) For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Leela from Futurama:
Professor! Please! Society is never gonna make any progress until we all learn to pretend to like each other. Now let’s go over there and make these hideous strangers feel welcome.
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