Posted on 05/20/2015 10:10:09 AM PDT by bgill
Bullets ricocheted around the parking lot of Twin Peaks, the Waco restaurant where a motorcycle gang shootout left nine dead, just minutes after Theron Rhoten pulled in on his vintage Harley chopper for a regional motorcycle club meeting, according to Rhoten’s wife. Katie Rhoten told The Associated Press that her husband ran for cover and was later arrested, along with antique motorcycle enthusiast friends and other “nonviolent, noncriminal people.” Authorities swept up around 170 bikers who had descended on the restaurant for what one club member described as a gathering to discuss laws protecting motorcycle riders.... McLennan County Sheriff Parnell McNamara and Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton declined to comment Tuesday on allegations that innocent bikers were arrested.
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“Do you plant yourself at the front door at Sunday morning church service to run records on everyone who enters? Do all FReepers have spotless records? No one at your workplace ever had a run in with the law? Everyone of the relatives at your family reunion never did anything worse than jaywalk? There is a huge difference between “associates” and your best friend who you’d trust with your kids.”
I am not a biker. I met 1% bikers in 1967, and decided to stay clear of them. I didn’t give each a background check to se if they had current charges or warrants pending. Over the years, I have attended parties, where a couple showed up. No problem, I didn’t leave.
But I would not make it a practice to be in close company with them, because they define themselves as being trouble.
I personally don’t need the risk, drama, vicarious thrill of being involved with that particular subculture. No offense with those who do.
I attend many AA meetings, and I fully realize that a wide spectrum of people are in attendance alongside me, there. I am selective about my relationships with those people, until I learn more about them.
I have quite a few friends that are “bikers,” not 1% types. I realize that most bikers are okay people.
In my area there are Christian biker clubs, Ex-con prison biker club/ministries, Recovery biker clubs, Veteran bike clubs, etc.
More power to them, for their good works. I salute when they roll down the road.
“My reputation for integrity speaks for itself”
More power to you and I guess you have been luckier than the husband of the “wife of biker inmate: some arrested in Texas are innocent” . . .
which is the topic of the post; which I understood was HOW to keep lawful bikers from getting arrested when associating with known criminals. Not associating with known criminals was merely my advice.
I am not doubting your personal integrity, I am not telling you personally what to do or with whom to associate.
You figure it out banana man
Wearing that bottom rocker claims territory. That’s how the 81 and the Mongels started their “issues”.
I would like to see some video of the event. It would be normal for the police to video the area for evidence and identification purposes.
No one seems to be willing to release video; hard to believe there is none.
So far, there seems to be a conspicuous lack of firearms confiscated, or shell casings near the people who were shot.
I find the circumstances surrounding this incident to be getting curiouser and curiouser.
Actually it goes back to the 1947 so called "Hollister riot", which was minor event that was exaggerated and sensationalized by the media. The spokesman for the AMA claimed all the trouble was caused by the 1% who were troublemakers. Bikers being bikers everyone wanted to be a badass 1 percenter.
Actually ... you’re right .. it was in 47 and the Hollister riot
Won't do no good... they have already made up their mind that anyone who wears gypsy leather is a 1%er. *shakes head @ this thread*
ADDRESSING WACO
It was a well known fact by all bikers, citizens and yes, WACO police (which includes FEDS) that the COC [Confederation of CLubs] meeting would be held on Sunday. All of the above groups, 1%’s, MC’s and Biker Orgs attend these meetings. Again the COC is a way to let others know about upcoming legislation, events & rides as well as discuss Patch issues. (Patches are the symbols that each group wears on their leathers, letting others know what group they represent).
There are several “theories” floating around ~ Let’s get rid of the first one, it was NOT a fight over a parking space! Bikers rarely if ever fight over a freaking parking space! They don’t need to, they can fit 2-3 bikes per space!
The second we hear is that it started in the bathroom, that could be the case as per other reports there was an issue that occurred. However, the weekend before the planned COC meeting there was an issue that may have spilled over to the fight that occurred. BUT the fight broke our PRIOR to meeting time.
What we DO know is that the place was already surrounded by FEDS, WACO Police and ATF LONG before any biker showed up! WHY were they there? Literally HUNDREDS of biker meetings between the various 1%, MC’s and Org’s had met there in the past ....ALL peacefully! The PD states it was because of the dispute the previous week. HOWEVER, there was a fight that started inside Twin Peaks and made it’s way outside! Those fighting had KNIVES ...NOT GUNS when they took the fight outside.
NO GUNS were shown as the fight made it outside from our understanding, but that is when the police started firing. WE DO NOT know if someone pulled out a gun from within the groups OR if the police were just too quick on their draw! Either way, ALMOST all shots fired came from police...not the ones fighting. ***again this is from we are getting from those there***
HERE IS OUR TAKE ON IT ALL:
WACO PD have not been very friendly towards bikers and the FEDS TOTALLY despise Bikers! Why? Because we are not afraid of them or their agenda! We are a threat to them! Remember folks we were able to organize in 24 days 800,000 -1.2 million bikers to DC! We did it WITHOUT their permission or support! They even SHUT DOWN the traffic cams...had the news NOT flown over the scene there would have been NO proof that we rode! Yes, folks, like it or not even 1%’s rode with us! They set aside their territories and rode peacefully! JUST like they do at ALL COC meetings!
Bikers stand up to them, to their Christian hate, their muslim agenda and whatever else they want to throw at us! BIKERS ARE PRESENTLY THE BACKBONE of PATRIOT AMERICA! WHAT BETTER WAY TO BRING THEM DOWN THAN WITH BAD PRESS SUCH AS THIS!
OUR question to WACO PD & FEDS ~
WHO’s bullets killed the 9 who died and those taken to the hospital?
Where is all the video from that surrounds the TWIN PEAKS and all the other businesses?
WHY have no charges been filed yet EACH of those in custody have a $1,000,000 bond?
WHY were those who had LEGAL carry permits arrested?
WHY are so many being held in jail that do not have records, were not part of the OMG’s they (PD) were targeting?
WHY are ALL BIKES of those in jail being confiscated via Civil Forfeiture? Civil forfeiture is supposed to occur if someone is found GUILTY of a crime while that “property” was in use or used to commit the crime!
WHY are bikers that had NO association with their targets being held on $1,000,000 bond? MANY are Christian Bikers and Veteran Bikers who committed no crime other than being on the scene?
Now as a whole this group does NOT condone police bashing, FED bashing YES....but WACO PD seems to be part of the FED agenda! So America, ask yourselves this...WHEN SHTF (and it will) WHO do you want on YOUR side? BIKERS OR FEDS? We KNOW where the FEDS stand and we KNOW how much they hate bikers!
LAST NOTE: There was NEVER EVER any threats made to WACO PD! That was TOTALLY made up!
I saw a report that showed the police impounding all the parked motorcycles and automobiles at the restaurant.
There is no reason for that at all. The vehicles were there legally, and on private property.
Impounding those vehicles seems just intimidation to me, just like the $1,000,000 bond without even a charge!
Talk about trampling on the Constitution, this is it in spades.
There is no way that there is any serious probable cause to arrest 170 people over this incident.
Furthermore, I read decades and decades ago in print media about outlaw gangs participating in gang rape. A horrible, reprehensible crime. I would not get 100 miles close to a group who participated in, condoned, or would not turn in men who perpetuated such a disgusting crime . . . much less sit at table with them to discuss “common causes” such as highway safety for motorcycles? Give me a break, will you? I did indeed try to obtain documentation for this common knowledge, but when you type in the search words, apparently what you get is porn sites which I will not click on. So no, I am not going to attempt to document what has been reported over decades, before the Internet would connect such an outrage against innocent women, to . . . mere porn. Prove it or disprove it yourself.
OF COURSE, you say, you and your friends would not chain or train rape! But you would sit at table with groups who do condone it?
Not going to convict anyone, just saying again I would not get knowingly within a hundred miles of the OUTLAW gangs, much less eat at table with them, AS THOUGH NOTHING WERE MORE IMPORTANT THAN AGREEING ABOUT HIGHWAY SAFETY FOR MOTORCYCLES? SHEESH. Give me a break again. Not buying it.
And Jesus said repent and sin no more.
This is what I alluded to early yesterday morning, be afraid verrrry afraid of how this happened, and who was targeted.
The rioters don’t get arrested because they are black?
More than 200 people were arrested during the Baltimore riots.
I have no idea what the total was for Ferguson, but well over 400.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0J80PR20141126
Well, if you read it print media then it MUST be true.
I recently read in print media that college fraternities participate in gang rapes...
Yes. And he said it while sitting at a table with perfect, upstanding people like you, didn't he?
Figure out what, that you are too childish to address your 1% claim?
The AMA denies ever making the statement back in the 1940s, and if they had, what do you think they would have meant by separating the outlaw gangs (the 1%) from the 99% of motorcyclists? That they were the same, except that the other 99% didn’t like beer and rarely rode motorcycles?
“”The term 1%er is ironically attributed to the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA). It was allegedly said by the group after the Hollister Riot in 1947 in which motorcycle clubs the Boozefighters and the Pissed Off Bastards engaged in a fight.
The AMA is thought to have made this reference in defense of its members, indicating that only 1 percent of its members were outlaws. This is not a set-in-stone fact, though, as there are questions as to whether the riot happened at all and the AMA denies ever making the comment.””
SO you deny that Outlaw Gangs never engaged in or tolerated gang rape, on the basis of other later reported incidents were not true?
It is sad. This site caters to freedom-loving people.
I guess some of the people here only love the freedoms THEY approve of.
OK just tell your Outlaw bike gang members to repent and sin no more, and then tell me where to send your funeral flowers.
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