Posted on 05/19/2015 8:25:25 PM PDT by FreetheSouth!
Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.
Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.
Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.
Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk
Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest.
Reporting now indicating that all deceased were killed by police gunfire. Reporting now indicating 27 people shot by police, 8 still in hospital. Reporting lowers weapons confiscated to less than 50, mostly pocket knives, chains (attached to wallets?), nail clippers, one padlock and firearms (CCP fired or unfired?).
From the outset the police description of events at the Twin Peaks (Waco) Gang Shooting seemed oddly self-serving, super efficient/fast, and unusually specific for a mass casualty event outlined in under 3 hours. It was *as if* they wanted to get out ahead of something.
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One of the original claims, that was still maintained by officials last night, was the origin of the gang violence beginning in a restroom of the bar/grill and spilling outside.
Additionally, the police originally stated that all gang member gunfire was inside the building, and all the deceased were shot inside the restaurant.
However, a report outlining the 500 page construct of the police affidavit and arrest warrant(s) claims that all events happened outside in the parking lot:
[…] The affidavit goes on to say three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot.
After the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says.
“During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:” the affidavit says.
The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers.
Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members,” the affidavit says (link)
Additionally the police went to great lengths to state the franchise owner/operator of the Twin Peaks restaurant would not cooperate with law enforcement and refused to cancel the event despite the demands of local law enforcement.
However, that too is factually disputed by the owner/operator:
[…] Late Monday afternoon the restaurant’s operators issued another statement in which they said law enforcement officials did not ask the operator or the franchisor to cancel the patio reservation on Sunday.
The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.”
“Based on the information to date, we also believe that the violence began outside in the area of the parking lot, and not inside our restaurant or on our patio, as has been widely reported,” the statement said.
[…] “We are in the process of gathering additional facts, and urge that people avoid rushing to judgment before those facts are fully known,” the [franchise owner] statement said. (link)
It would appear there are several contradictions with the initial -and ongoing- claims by Waco Police Spokesperson Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Including last night:
[…] Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said
Just to refresh our memory, here is Swanton’s first Presser again: (this took place at approximately 3:00pm CST Sunday)
In addition, the number of uniformed police who were surrounding the building during the timeframe the bikers arrived at the event has increased from 12+ (original report) to more than 18+. And now includes the police stating the entire uniformed SWAT division, vehicles, squad cars, MRAP, and all SWAT equipment were in the parking lot directly in front of the restaurant.
[…] Eighteen uniformed Waco police officers including an assistant chief, sergeants and one rookie were standing by outside the restaurant Sunday and responded within a matter of seconds after the violence broke out between members of five rival gangs, Swanton said
So when we consider the police visibility -including their assault rifles- and overlay the affidavit claim: “three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot“, you would have to think these are the stupidest gang members, or….. something else.
[…] As the officers responded, the bikers directed gunfire in their direction, police said.
“Our officers took fire and responded appropriately, returning fire,” he said.
There’s bound to be CCTV video at the restaurant/bar, that might help clear up some of the discrepancies if the video is ever made public.
However, it is worth noting the police themselves might have a vested interest in a very specific version of events, and no-one is visible yet to give any eye-witness information which might contradict that version.
It surely does seem odd that gang members would turn guns on heavily armed police who were directly in front of them, in the same parking lot, mere feet away. It also seems exceptionally fortunate that so far not a single stray bullet hit another building, vehicle or structure.
[…] Three of the dead were found in the parking lot just outside of the restaurant, four were found in front of the building and one had been dragged behind a neighboring restaurant. (link)
Yet, …all the gang shooting was inside, right. Right?
“I just find it odd that the cops were coincidentally in the neighborhood all swatted up when the “brawl” began.”
This was a planned event. Cops knew about it six weeks in advance.
“The Conservative Treehouse is solid. “
LOL!
“And their course of action was to claim they expected management to tell 200 -300 bikers ...all of whom were not one percenters....to leave and be good boys”
They courted the bikers ... good for business. WTF?
“I do find it telling that almost all of the dead were killed by head shots. “
I do find it telling that all the injured were not shot in the head ...
If the newer reports are right, and all shot by leo, this might be far from being over,.
But, but, all that was planted, just like the jet engine! Sorry, I'm still reeling from my camping trip last weekend with a couple of lib buddies.
“If the newer reports are right, and all shot by leo, this might be far from being over,. “
Interesting that the ‘bikers’ on this thread are totally dismissing any reports of bikers firing guns ...
” he’s a retired oil exec. And a member of a very well known MC. “
Some more ‘upstanding citizens’ ...
“I had no idea. Thanks.”
Solid? ROTFLMAO!
He makes statements that come from nowhere and lists a video as his source. If one takes the time to listen to the video, it does NOT support his basic premise.
Your words define you and say far more about you than him. When your brothers are in danger. We run toward the danger, people like you, cower inside in their own urine pool.
“When your brothers are in danger. We run toward the danger, people like you, cower inside in their own urine pool.”
So this fine upstanding citizen was actually a gang banger?
"I don't care about the Bill of Rights, TigersEye, I'm a wannabe fascist goon."
Are you saying that cops should not fire back when fired upon?
I was responding to what the other FReeper said which had nothing at all to do with the shootout in Waco. But thanks for your ignorant response anyway, Sport.
If you've got a hard-on for criminals that's your problem.
I was responding to your statement that they should simply be shot for wearing certain jackets, Goon.
“I was responding to what the other FReeper said which had nothing at all to do with the shootout in Waco. But thanks for your ignorant response anyway, Sport.”
A trace of your posts show that you were responding DIRECTLY to his post about the shootout in Waco.
Possible that the police had the parking lot staked and, once the violence started inside, were waiting for the baddies to spill out and dropped them as they came (presumably aiming for the ones wearing OMC cuts and carrying weapons). Can't say I'd feel bad at all if this were the case.
If you support that then your a statist goon too.
Goon.
“Upwards of 100 bona fide members of organized criminal groups were brawling in a restaurant with guns, knives and chains and spilling outside.”
They had no guns. Just a few legal knives and large belt buckles. Just a friendly gathering in the parking lot to share their admiration for their motorcycles.
At least that is what I am told by a few here ...
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