Posted on 05/19/2015 8:25:25 PM PDT by FreetheSouth!
Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.
Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.
Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.
Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk
Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest.
Reporting now indicating that all deceased were killed by police gunfire. Reporting now indicating 27 people shot by police, 8 still in hospital. Reporting lowers weapons confiscated to less than 50, mostly pocket knives, chains (attached to wallets?), nail clippers, one padlock and firearms (CCP fired or unfired?).
From the outset the police description of events at the Twin Peaks (Waco) Gang Shooting seemed oddly self-serving, super efficient/fast, and unusually specific for a mass casualty event outlined in under 3 hours. It was *as if* they wanted to get out ahead of something.
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One of the original claims, that was still maintained by officials last night, was the origin of the gang violence beginning in a restroom of the bar/grill and spilling outside.
Additionally, the police originally stated that all gang member gunfire was inside the building, and all the deceased were shot inside the restaurant.
However, a report outlining the 500 page construct of the police affidavit and arrest warrant(s) claims that all events happened outside in the parking lot:
[…] The affidavit goes on to say three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot.
After the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says.
“During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:” the affidavit says.
The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers.
Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members,” the affidavit says (link)
Additionally the police went to great lengths to state the franchise owner/operator of the Twin Peaks restaurant would not cooperate with law enforcement and refused to cancel the event despite the demands of local law enforcement.
However, that too is factually disputed by the owner/operator:
[…] Late Monday afternoon the restaurant’s operators issued another statement in which they said law enforcement officials did not ask the operator or the franchisor to cancel the patio reservation on Sunday.
The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.”
“Based on the information to date, we also believe that the violence began outside in the area of the parking lot, and not inside our restaurant or on our patio, as has been widely reported,” the statement said.
[…] “We are in the process of gathering additional facts, and urge that people avoid rushing to judgment before those facts are fully known,” the [franchise owner] statement said. (link)
It would appear there are several contradictions with the initial -and ongoing- claims by Waco Police Spokesperson Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton. Including last night:
[…] Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said
Just to refresh our memory, here is Swanton’s first Presser again: (this took place at approximately 3:00pm CST Sunday)
In addition, the number of uniformed police who were surrounding the building during the timeframe the bikers arrived at the event has increased from 12+ (original report) to more than 18+. And now includes the police stating the entire uniformed SWAT division, vehicles, squad cars, MRAP, and all SWAT equipment were in the parking lot directly in front of the restaurant.
[…] Eighteen uniformed Waco police officers including an assistant chief, sergeants and one rookie were standing by outside the restaurant Sunday and responded within a matter of seconds after the violence broke out between members of five rival gangs, Swanton said
So when we consider the police visibility -including their assault rifles- and overlay the affidavit claim: “three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot“, you would have to think these are the stupidest gang members, or….. something else.
[…] As the officers responded, the bikers directed gunfire in their direction, police said.
“Our officers took fire and responded appropriately, returning fire,” he said.
There’s bound to be CCTV video at the restaurant/bar, that might help clear up some of the discrepancies if the video is ever made public.
However, it is worth noting the police themselves might have a vested interest in a very specific version of events, and no-one is visible yet to give any eye-witness information which might contradict that version.
It surely does seem odd that gang members would turn guns on heavily armed police who were directly in front of them, in the same parking lot, mere feet away. It also seems exceptionally fortunate that so far not a single stray bullet hit another building, vehicle or structure.
[…] Three of the dead were found in the parking lot just outside of the restaurant, four were found in front of the building and one had been dragged behind a neighboring restaurant. (link)
Yet, …all the gang shooting was inside, right. Right?
When the Nazi’s started testing the waters of the final solution, they began with the outsiders. The Gypsy’s, the homosexuals, the street people, criminals, the mentally handicapped, the physically handicapped. They gaged the reaction of the German people . They thought it necessary to eliminate the undesirables, The one’s who are not “Herrenvolk”, the “Untermenschen”. The outsider is the canary in the coalmine.
Always watch what society is willing to allow to be done to the outsider. Because the outsider is just for practice.
This looks bad. Another Waco police state mess?
Maybe they will stand up for themselves, the old fashioned way.
It never has made any difference what happened other than there is a dead body. The requirement is the production of a death certificate. What will be hard is the link, You go to a game and the crowd wants to kill the ref. He gets killed. How many get to be arrested.
No, those are reasonable questions. And yes, we have a right to answers.
We have a right to know the truth. Best avenue to get that is through the courts. If that fails, and it might, we have the avenue to access to evidence after the trial.
The MSM is the worst place to try and arrive at the truth through.
Is there any doubt that they do in fact know what the “facts” were back then?
The coverup originated from the Feds who were responsible for that tragedy/crime.
And I think you have daddy issues.
I refuse to refer to that particular incident as a tragedy. It was a massacre. By the Feds. In our name.
They murdered over a hundred people on national TV, and not one single person was held accountable.
It was then that I fully realized how feral our government had become.
The feral nature of Fedgov transcends party.
bfl
I have found over many decades of dealing with people from both sides of the conflict that the ones with the loudest and biggest mouths.
Are not always the ones that are the most dangerous.
I have no issue with what you stated.
It is indeed time to end such Federal abuses.
“When your brothers are in danger. We run toward the danger, people like you, cower inside in their own urine pool.”
New video. Shows all the cowards running and hiding! The bathroom problem was that there were too many in there trying to hide!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-texas-biker-brawl-20150520-story.html
What they didn’t know was that there were “Jesus bikers” there too. Liars are going to have the Holy Spirit on their tail. The resulting spectacle will be quite INTERESTING.
how about, tragic massacre
“Well, it appears that my initial suspicions (based upon the large number of dead and wounded) that this was a “spray and pray” operation carried out by trigger-happy, steroid pumped cops who were apparently frightened by nail clippers, wallet “chains”, a single padlock, pocket knives and possibly some “firearms” which may or may not have been ever unholstered.”
New Report ...
Of those weapons counted so far, 118 are handguns, one is an AK-47 assault-style rifle and 157 are knives.
http://news.yahoo.com/latest-waco-shooting-retired-detective-arrested-153111616.html
There’s no way you could allow a win could you. If they flee from the gunfire they are cowards. If they shoot back they are crooks.
We’re waiting for your gator mouth to write a check your butterfly hiney cannot cash. It is just going to be a matter of time... and we can wait. God himself is watching here.
“There’s no way you could allow a win could you. If they flee from the gunfire they are cowards. If they shoot back they are crooks.”
I made no win/lose judgement call on this. Just pointing out where FTS said his brothers never ran from danger when in fact most of his brothers did run. I guess FTS can’t depend on his brothers like he thought he could!
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