[SkyDancer]

I’m just fuming over the American lives lost and wounded over that sand pile. And for what?

[kjam22]

I agree with you.... but I was fuming at the time we were losing them. I never bought the "planting democracy" idea as a way to tame the middle east. We could have bombed them into the dark ages in the days after 9-11. Instead we tried to establish democracy there, and that plan was never good.

Obammy should have not cut and run. No doubt. There is nothing there worth saving at this point. Suni, Kurd, Shiite? They're all the same to me. None would ever be a true ally.