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Bottom line, virtually all the leaders of ISIS are former officers of Saddam's Baathist regime. ISIS is a reconstituted Saddam's Iraq, bent on taking over the Middle East...using Islamic fanaticism as a recruitment tool.
1 posted on 05/18/2015 7:40:50 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

Incompetency, in underestimating the Shiite/Sunni antagonism, starting with Bush, and culminating in a huge crescendo under Mr. 0 and Hillary...


2 posted on 05/18/2015 7:43:37 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG...)
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This just goes to illuminate the naivety of the Bush Administration and the lack of knowledge of Islamic ways and how it is 'not' a religion, but a political organization that only benefits those at the top.

All the rest of the Islamic that follow are useful idiots and the biggest idiots are those in the West who fall for the line that Islam is a religion.

4 posted on 05/18/2015 7:46:45 AM PDT by Parmy
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This is interesting, Guardian’s take:

“Principally, Isis is the product of a genocide that continued unabated as the world stood back and watched. It is the illegitimate child born of pure hate and pure fear – the result of 200,000 murdered Syrians and of millions more displaced and divorced from their hopes and dreams. Isis’s rise is also a reminder of how Bashar al-Assad’s Machiavellian embrace of al-Qaida would come back to haunt him.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/22/syria-iraq-incubators-isis-jihad

So Ali Khedery says differently.

Hard to judge altogether but if Assad had not been blowing up scores of his own people, ISIS might not be so potent as well.


5 posted on 05/18/2015 7:48:59 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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Dictatorships, as has been often noticed, are usually oligarchies of a wealthy elite with a kind of figurehead dictator. ISIS is the Iraqi Baathist oligarchy’s revenge....


6 posted on 05/18/2015 7:49:45 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (Real life is ANALOG...)
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Instead, he found himself being supervised by an Iraqi emir and receiving orders from shadowy Iraqis...

Ha haaaaa! Karma sucks, don't it, Abu?

9 posted on 05/18/2015 7:53:31 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Okay, let's connect some dots, Liz. Is the Washington Post prepared to admit that going after Saddam in response to 9/11 was the right thing to do?

I mean after all, Saddam's officers are leaders of ISIS. ISIS was spawned by Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda was created by Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden ordered the attacks on 9/11.

15 posted on 05/18/2015 8:03:01 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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So, the “hidden hand” is Saddam’s. He’s giving orders from the grave.


20 posted on 05/18/2015 8:09:32 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: AnalogReigns
The Hidden Hand Behind the Islamic State


25 posted on 05/18/2015 8:16:41 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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I agree with my husband, who at the onset of the Iraq war said that we should have taken out Saudi Arabia and Iran, then Iraq would’ve bowed it’s knees. Instead, we have a ME that is in total chaos. Although, one cannot lose sight of the fact, that in God’s perspective and timeline, we are closing out the ‘age of grace’ rapidly and entering into the birth pangs that will bring the day of Jacob’s Trouble...Daniel’s 70th week onto the scene. With the rapidity of current events taking place today, it is impossible to set a time line, but anyone with a mediocre view of the Bible can see that things are quickly moving to those events foretold by many OT writers and a few NT writers, as well. It behooves believers to get back to the Bible and start preparing for that day. I know most believe we will be raptured out before, but I am not one of those, having been cured of that back in the 1980s. Nothing has happened that would make me go back to that belief. Anyway, it is time to prepare for the worst. And, if it happens like you want it to, then I would not object. however, I want to be prepared to go through the coming storm, and God will be faithful to those who prepare, as the parable of the 10 virgins says.

To my thinking, it will not be long before we see a “strong man” take charge of things in the ME, as things are falling into chaos more every day. The antichrist is waiting in the wings, as they say. He is already on the scene, I’m certain, but he has not made a move to come to power yet. He is biding his time.


47 posted on 05/18/2015 10:21:45 AM PDT by Shery (Pray for righteousness to be restored and for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: AnalogReigns
There are some significant problems with this premise, which plays directly into the "blame Bush for the daesh" narrative, rather than the abandon ship policy of this administration since 2009.

One would have to believe, for example, that Assad's Ba'athists (which is to say "Nazis," because all the Ba'athists are immediate and direct descendants of Adolf Hitler and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem) are probably in league with IS, which, arguably, makes the ground war between the Assad regime and the "IS," in the latter's homebase are (at Al Raqqah, in Syria) what the Russians call "спектакль," (mere spectacle) a mere theatrical performance.

The wicked fire-fight between the Assad regime and IS, over the Taqba AFB, strategic to IS control over its nominal capital at Al Raqqah, is theater?

Not beyond belief, not beyond practical for fascists to cynically use the True Believing among their foreign followers to confuse the West, but would Assad risk his fixed assets, his troops, that way?

Like I say... there are significant problems with this, not least among them is the source and timing of the story. The

Post is a long-running sounding board for the Agency, and for Foggy Bottom. This story appears to back our own Ba'athists "runnin' things" here, in the US, those who want to distract attention from the smoking gun with regard to Benghazi, just now, and to back the narrative that pretends the "hot mess" in Iraq today is the fault of Bush and not the policy of abandonment pushed since 2009.

50 posted on 05/18/2015 10:39:24 AM PDT by Prospero (Omnis caro fenum)
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Bush is responsible for ISIS gaining power in the same way that Eisenhower was responsible for us losing World War II - oh, except we didn’t lose World War II.

My point is this. Mistakes are made in war. Many people believe that the great casualties that resulted from The Battle of The Bulge could have been avoided if a different strategy had been tried. Patton had an alternative plan to Eisenhower’s, that would have had our troops outflanking the main German resistance and starving it out. This likely would have given us a less costly victory. Nevertheless, we ultimately prevailed - mistakes and all. That’s what great nations do.

Likewise, if the Bush administration had dealt with the ex-Baathists more wisely, it would have likely made our victory there less costly. But we still won. That’s what great nations do.

Imagine if Patton, to prove a point that his strategy was better than Eisenhower’s, deliberately undermined the war effort from that point on. Maybe then, we would have lost the war, and Patton could have petulantly blamed the loss on Eisenhower not taking his advice. But that’s not what great men do. But that’s what America hating commies like Obama and the Democrat Party do. They have deliberately given away the victory so dearly fought for, to try to “prove” that it never happened.

Sure, mistakes were made in the Iraq war, but the bottom line is, we won. These ex-Baathists never would have been able to reorganize and become what they have become, without an Obama to help them.


61 posted on 05/18/2015 12:57:54 PM PDT by mbrfl (fightingmad)
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Bump for reference.


75 posted on 05/18/2015 9:20:44 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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But were does the money come from? Not Iraq.

The House of Saaud.

The only buffer between the poor Shiites in Iraq and Iran is AND SAUDI ARABIA IS........HOLD ON ITS ALMOST HERE............ISIS.


82 posted on 05/18/2015 10:12:04 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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Remember what GWB provided to Obambi and the world. On one side of Iran is Iraq. On the other side is Afghanistan. We had Iran between Iraq and Afghanistan. Covertly and overtly we could have empowered the 2009 Iranian revolution and reversed the peanut farmer’s treasonous support of the Islamonazis in 1979.


91 posted on 05/19/2015 2:11:20 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try.)
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97 posted on 05/19/2015 4:52:34 AM PDT by SJackson (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes)
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moderate muslims = “Cafeteria Catholics”. The more devout the are, the more dangerous they become.


100 posted on 05/19/2015 6:21:09 AM PDT by j.argese (/s tags: If you have a mind unnecessary. If you're a cretin it really doesn't matter, does it?)
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Not surprised. Nazism is like the energizer bunny.


107 posted on 05/19/2015 7:51:42 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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The issue of de baathification of the military was always a a double-sided argument.

It is not difficult for the overwhelmingly Sunni Iraqi military officers to point to de baathification as “the heart of the problem” NOW.

And yet, if the U.S. had NOT agreed to de baathification, the Shia majority and all their militias (and they do represent some 60% of the Iraqi people) were prepared to be quit of their cooperation with the U.S., and that was when the U.S. was still fighting in Iraq on three fronts - against Al Queda, against the remnants of the former Iraqi military still hoping to resurrect Saddam’s regime, and against the sectarian militias fighting the U.S. and each other.

Without de baathification of the military it cannot be said for certain we would have produced a democratic government of any kind - the Shia leadership would not have supported it. Then what? No one knows.

So yes we know one of the risks we took with de baathification, but we do not know where we would have gotten to without it either.

The worst part of de baathification was also carried out in two ways that were sought by the Shia political class; too quickly, and with too much regard for rank (high) as qalifying for dismissal and too little regard for behavior. Maliki then made things worse as prime minister, by making military appointments by choosing cronies over experience.


116 posted on 05/19/2015 11:46:24 AM PDT by Wuli
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