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To: colorado tanker; henkster; Hebrews 11:6; Homer_J_Simpson; antidisestablishment
Colorado tanker: "Wow, Joe, there's a blast from the past.
I'd forgotten about that little gem from Pat.
I never read the book, but I suspect I'd disagree with a lot in it."

henkster: "My nose crinkles up and my upper lip curls back when discussing Pat Buchanan’s notions of history.
His crimes are the type that led to the promulgation of henkster’s law."

I bought & read Buchanan's book the year it was published, 2008, so my memories of it today are quite vague.
But I did highlight and mark interesting passages, and just to pick one example, you'll note here that Buchanan is both historically accurate and interesting:

On Chamberlain at Munich:

"On October 2, Chamberlain wrote to the Archbishop of Canterbury, 'I sincerely believe that we have at last opened the way to that general appeasement which alone can save the world from chaos'.

"To Western peoples, familiar with shuttle diplomacy, Chamberlain's journey to Germany may seem routine.
But as Graham Stewart writes:

"Not all joined the celebration.
The Daily Telebraph was caustic and cunning: 'It was Mr. Disraeli who said that England's two greatest assets in the world were her fleet and her good name.
Today we must console ourselves that we still have our fleet.
'

Duff Cooper resigned as First Lord of the Admiralty.

'This is hell,' Harold Nicolson said to Churchill, who muttered in reply, 'It is the end of the British Empire.'.
Listening in Parliament as Chamberlain was feted as the Prince of Peace, Churchill was heard to say in a sarcastic aside, 'I never knew Neville was born in Bethlehem.'

"On October 5, Churchill rose in the House.
'We have sustained a total and unmitigated defeat,' he began.
'Nonsense!" cried Lady Astor.
Churchill continued with an address of great forboding:

"Yet Churchill could not contain his awe and envy at Hitler's audacity and nerve.
On October 4, one day before his mighty address to the Commons, he wrote of Britain's need to replicate,
'the spirit of that Austrian corporal' who had bested the British statesmen at Munich..."

Yes, I do recommend Buchanan's book.
You will find all of it interesting, will agree with much of it, and what you disagree with will force you to think deeply about just exactly why.

So, having served on Homer's "staff" now all these years, I think I'll take my own advice and re-read, exactly what are the points Buchanan makes that I agree & disagree with...

57 posted on 05/18/2015 4:14:22 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
I think I'll take my own advice

A practice too seldom undertaken generally to actually be a practice. Let us know your findings.

58 posted on 05/18/2015 4:47:24 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: colorado tanker; henkster; Hebrews 11:6; Homer_J_Simpson; antidisestablishment
Colorado tanker: "Wow, Joe, there's a blast from the past."

henkster: "My nose crinkles up and my upper lip curls back when discussing Pat Buchanan’s notions of history."

Picking up where we left off, I've re-read Buchanan's book up through the end of the First World War.
It's infuriating work, because so much of it is spot-on, but then he leaves out important data so as to emphasize his own points.

For example, in historical reality, the First World War was a war of choice for Germany, which first pushed it's Austrian allies to declare war on Serbia, then responded to Russia's partial mobilization with their own declarations of war against Russia and France -- simultaneous to full execution of their long prepared Schlieffen plan to invade Belgium.
But in Buchanan's telling, it was the Germans who were forced into war by... who...?
Why by those nasty Brits, of course, who sneakily failed to tell the Kaiser in advance that they would go to war to protect France.
But in reality, which Buchanan never denies, both the Kaiser and his General Staff full-well knew the Brits were pledged by 1839 treaty to defend Belgium.

And those Germans didn't care!
Quoting Buchanan:

For Britain the options were: A). let Germany again defeat France as in 1871, also taking Belgium and Russia, becoming the undisputed dominant European power, or B). stand with France and Russia to defeat German aggression.

In Buchanan's words, here's what Option A would result in:

Buchanan's argument, in a nut shell: let the Germans win in 1914.

So here we are, 100 years later, and are we better off?
I think so, but as they say, "it's complicated..."

62 posted on 05/24/2015 1:58:33 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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