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To: tcrlaf

can you explain that to a non military guy? :) I understand if it would take too long.
Was our victory not as incredible against Germany as it seemed?
Kursk was a bigger tank battle than bulge.
My uncle Jimmy said pre bulge and bulge battles were horrifying. He sat on tank emptying machine gun into Germans and crying. Poor guy Deceased. Tattoo of his name on arm with dad’s and uncle Ralph’s :)
Another heartbreaking thought is what if we did nothing to Japan for four years then dropped the A bombs. But it couldn’t have been that simple right?


43 posted on 05/08/2015 10:44:56 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: dp0622
Here is a link to a very good book on the Soviets and the war.

http://www.amazon.com/No-Simple-Victory-Europe-1939-1945/dp/0143114093/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1431150834&sr=1-1&keywords=no+simple+victory

I certainly accept that the Russians paid an overwhelming price in the war against Hitler. However, Stalin's conspiring with Hitler made the start of the war possible. And even when Churchill and others warned Stalin of Hitler imminent double cross in (22 Jun 1942 Operation Barbarossa), Stalin failed to prepare for the war. In addition, Stalin faithfully provided supplies in abundance to Nazis right up until the Nazis turned on them. So Stalin was aiding and abetting Hitler in his attempts to finish off England. It must be said that Stalin's strategy and tactics also contributed to the huge losses of Soviet slave people. Finally, people need to keep in mind that Stalin killed huge numbers of his own soldiers even as they fought the Nazis, and killed many of those soldier who had had the bad circumstance to have been captured by the Nazis. One barely know chapter of the war was Operation Keelhaul. It reflects badly on England, the USA, and the USSR. See this link:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v1/v1n4p371_lutton.html

51 posted on 05/08/2015 11:01:47 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: dp0622

Most of the German units American Troops faced on the western front were weaker (2 Regiments instead of the standard three), with less artillery and more inferior equipment, and less training, than the German Units fighting in Russia.

(Some of these were made up of Russian Volunteers in German Service, called “Hiwi’s”. Several of the German Battalions the Americans encountered on D-Day defending the beaches of Normandy weren’t actually germans, but Russian Volunteers, under German officers.)

There were exceptions, of course, almost always the SS Divisions, which had first priority for new equipment, and people.


53 posted on 05/08/2015 11:05:02 PM PDT by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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