This is America's space program.
Posted on 05/04/2015 12:03:29 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
Is Russia Planning to Disassemble the International Space Station?
Goodbye, International Space Station. We hardly knew ye.
For nearly two decades, since the launch of its first "module" in 1998, the International Space Station has been a symbol of global cooperation, and the site of actual cooperation among scientists from many nations. Comprised of 15 separate modules, and inhabited continuously since 2000, the International Space Station has hosted upward of 200 astronauts and cosmonauts from 15 different nations over 17 years in service. But in just a few more years, all this will come to an end.
Like disassembling an old Lego set, Russia plans to break up ISS, detach its modules, and use them to build its own space station by 2023.
E unum pluribus That's the upshot of an announcement from Russian President Vladimir Putin, who in April confirmed Russian plans "to create our own national space station in orbit" by 2023.
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What it means for America -- and for American investors From the perspective of mankind, we can only applaud Russia's and China's commitment to continued and expanded space exploration. From the perspective of America, however, we have to ask: Where does all this leave us?
And the answer would appear to be: "Homeless in space." As Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin pointed out last year, "The Russian segment [of the ISS] can exist independently from the American one, but the American segment cannot exist without the Russian." The implication being that once the Russians move out in 2023/2024, if we want a space station we're going to need to build it ourselves.
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This is America's space program.
Well that certainly is an old reference. Maybe there was a Short Circuit when you were typing.
I loved this movie:)
“Ukraine’s Fault.”
That is another pro-Russian lie and disinformation. The ISS project agreement only went to the year 2020 when it was negotiated in 2000.
And entirely unnecessary.
“Iowamark is right. The ISS either reproduces knowledge we already have, or the knowledge that is new can be obtained in much cheaper ways. The ISS is a “make work” program for NASA.”
Your comment is a flatout lie. You cannot possibly know such a thing to be true, because it is demonstrably false.
International Space Station
Science Research Accomplishments During the
Assembly Years: An Analysis of Results from
2000-2008
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20090029998.pdf
Short Circuit - No Disassemble!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjeptaI2T8E
“Well that certainly is an old reference.”
Old!?! Old, you say??? I remember walking to that movie theater...just yesterday.
Since the 1960s, we’ve done nothing meaningful in space with regard to human exploration. But we did spend $22 trillion dollars to fight poverty here at home!
Please list three “science” discoveries from the ISS.
The station has cost billions and other than some very rudimentary high altitude plasma stuff (photo work mostly for Sprites) I’ve seen nothing for the billions poured down this rathole.
Well, and some random ham radio contacts for a happy few.
Isn’t there a bit of conflict of interest there.
The ISS is a huge waste of money, and is nothing more than a “make work” program.
“Screw those commie bastards and screw their wussy little space station.”
“Isn’t there a bit of conflict of interest there.”
“The ISS is a huge waste of money, and is nothing more than a “make work” program.”
In other words, you’re just going to lie about it and keep on repeating the lie no matter how much evidence to the contrary there is.
The ISS experiments in microgravity have made it possible to develop microencapsulation methods which are currently being used in clinical trials to safely destroy cancer tumors with improved methods of chemotherapy.
The use of microgravity research aboard the ISS has been used to study novel combustion techniques that are now being used to substantially improve fuel consumption rates. The savings in fuel consumption costs is enough to fund the entire ISS project and more in the future.
Long-term materials research is discovering better spacecraft materials and new materials with lighter weights and more durable applications in the Earth’s environment. The financial benefits of these materials surpass the cost of the ISS by themselves.
ScienceCasts: 10 More Years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzjskjY4ihQ
I get what you are saying. 1986 seems like yesterday in some ways to me too, but there has been so much water under the bridge since then... Unless you literally just went to see it yesterday because they are replaying it at the theater. In that case I completely misunderstood what you said.
:^)
To what degree? What's the actual economic impact?
The use of microgravity research aboard the ISS has been used to study novel combustion techniques that are now being used to substantially improve fuel consumption rates. The savings in fuel consumption costs is enough to fund the entire ISS project and more in the future.
Where is this being used commercially. What's the actual economic impact?
Long-term materials research is discovering better spacecraft materials and new materials with lighter weights and more durable applications in the Earth’s environment. The financial benefits of these materials surpass the cost of the ISS by themselves.
Let's see an actual accounting statement. And the big question for all of these claims is whether the research repeated previous experiments, and whether the ISS experiments could have been done more economically elsewhere.
“Please list three “science” discoveries from the ISS.”
1. “MISSE and exposure of materials to the space environment: beneficial uses of AO...Art Restoration... Cleaning and texturing of surgical implants ... New glucose testing equipment
2. “MEPS-II experiment on ISS, which is a follow-on to earlier shuttle experiments, demonstrated an automated system that produced tiny (roughly the size of blood cells) liquid-filled micro-balloons in microgravity that are capable of delivering drugs to targeted locations in the human body. Experiments on ISS included encapsulation of several different anti-cancer drugs, magnetic triggering particles, and encapsulation of genetically engineered DNA. The The left photo was taken after the Cleveland Museum of Art’s staff attempted to clean and restore it using acetone and methylene chloride. The right photo is after cleaning by the AO technique. 203 experiment system brought together two immiscible liquids in such a way that allowed surface tension forces (rather than fluid shear) to dominate at the interface of the fluids. The microgravity environment on ISS was vital to the development of these capsules; the experiment results provided insight about the formulations and conditions ( e.g., fluid shear limitations and interfacial behaviors) that are required to produce microcapsules of different drugs and particles.”
“Microencapsulation of drugs using protocols that were developed by research aboard the space shuttle and ISS have
demonstrated great promise for cancer therapies and delivery of drugs for other diseases. For example, microcapsules
that were made by NASA and that are targeted at inhibiting growth of human prostate tumors were successfully demonstrated in clinical trials (Le Pivert et al. 2004). Microgravity demonstration of co-encapsulation of multiple drugs has enabled new engineering strategies for the production of microcapsules on Earth. Other microcapsules have now been made for the treatment of deep tissue infections and clotting disorders, and to provide delivery of genetically engineered materials for potential gene therapy approaches (Morrison et al. 2003).”
3. “AdvAsc and anthrax: air-purifying technology
The-air purifying technology (TiO2-based ethylene) that was employed in the plant growth chamber that was used in
the AdvAsc experiment was incorporated into an airborne pathogen scrubber that is effective against anthrax spores
and other pathogens.”
“A commercial company, KES Science & Technology, Inc., licensed the TiO2-based ethylene removal technology.
The intended application was to remove ethylene from the atmosphere to preserve food perishables such as fruits
and vegetables. However, the technology is also extremely effective at removing bacterial pathogens in the air. After the 2001 anthrax attacks, an employee of KES speculated that the ethylene scrubber that uses a catalyst bed that is coated with TiO2 ( a photocatalyst) and ultraviolet lamps could be modified and used as an air purifier. The combination of ultraviolet light and TiO2 creates super-oxides and hydroxyl radicals (strong oxidizing agents) that completely oxidize organic material. The technology is patented by KES as AiroCide, which is an air purifier that kills 98% of airborne pathogens that pass through it, including Bacillus anthraci (anthrax), dust mites, molds, and harmful viruses and bacteria such as Influenza A (flu), E. coli, Staphylococcus aureas, Streptococcus pyogenes, and Mycoplasma pneumoniae. Today, KES markets several AiroCide units that are designed to be installed in buildings (e.g., mounted on a ceiling) and are capable of purifying large volumes of air. Commercial applications for the device include mail rooms, conference rooms, hospitals, waiting rooms, day care centers, schools, athletic facilities, and other common areas that are susceptible to bacteria, including homes.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzjskjY4ihQ
As Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin pointed out last year, "The Russian segment [of the ISS] can exist independently from the American one, but the American segment cannot exist without the Russian."He's full of crap.
The ISS agreement was originally set to expire in 2020, but the mission was extended to 2024. The ISS was supposed to have another ten years to compile a record of further accomplishments. The kind of accounting you are asking for is of course not reasonable or feasible given the need to also account for the future economic impacts, which are already exceedingly difficult to determine in the first place. For example:
How do you account for the drug encapsulation research impact and the portion in which the microgravity aboard the ISS is responsible? How are you going to determine the ISS cost portion to the subsequent economic benefits into what number of years into the future?
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Do they have a launch date? On their website, I found a “notional” reference to 2015, but nothing specific.
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