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Rand Paul is right — toppling Saddam hurt America
The Week ^ | April 29 2015 | Matt K. Lewis

Posted on 05/02/2015 4:02:29 PM PDT by WilliamIII

On Monday, presidential hopeful Rand Paul had this to say to a group of Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn: "All the way back to the Iraq War, I think it was a mistake to topple [Saddam] Hussein." The Kentucky senator continued:

Hussein was the bulwark against Iran. The Sunnis didn't like the Shiites, now Iraq is a vassal state for Iran. I'm worried [Iran] is twice as strong as it was before the Iraq War. [Rand Paul]

I'm no dove. But I must admit: Rand Paul has a point.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 911truth; 911truther; 911truthers; agitprop; alreadyposted; astroturf; demagogue; diabn; ibtz
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To: DB

You are correct.


41 posted on 05/02/2015 5:25:53 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: Bratch
The mistake was trying to impose democracy. The proper choice was either to continue into Iran or pull out with the threat to come back with even greater force the next time.


42 posted on 05/02/2015 5:29:14 PM PDT by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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To: TADSLOS

America is not good at setting up kings any more (the Shah of Iran wasn’t that bad as kings go).


43 posted on 05/02/2015 5:30:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: WilliamIII

Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.


44 posted on 05/02/2015 5:33:21 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: Bratch

Something has to follow a war. An anarchy in the Middle East is asking for jihadism.


45 posted on 05/02/2015 5:33:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: svcw

So busy at personal attacks on folks that we are failing to notice when someone actually makes a good point?

One could technically fault the lack of a good follow up plan rather than the toppling of Saddam, but in the end the issues are connected.


46 posted on 05/02/2015 5:35:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: WilliamIII

We should’ve taken out Saudi Arabia too, carpet bombing both countries.


47 posted on 05/02/2015 5:36:05 PM PDT by MaxMax (Call the local GOP and ask how you can support CRUZ for POTUS, Make them talk!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I never knew Rand Paul was the son of Ron Paul.

While I disagreed with the later, I respected him.

I now have very little respect for his son.


48 posted on 05/02/2015 5:36:41 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: MaxMax

And leaving an anarchy in Islam’s holy land... no thanks.


49 posted on 05/02/2015 5:36:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Cvengr

I have more respect for his son, he is thinking through long term consequences, not just gut level ME HATE MUSLIM, ME KICK MUSLIM ASS, ME LEAVE ANARCHY, ME GO HOME


50 posted on 05/02/2015 5:38:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
the Shah of Iran wasn’t that bad as kings go

Infinitely better than what followed.

51 posted on 05/02/2015 5:38:48 PM PDT by samtheman ( BushClinton. The Yesterday Candidate.)
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To: WilliamIII

Taking out Saddam was the right thing to do. But from the day we invaded and the MSM announced we were in a quagmire, the day Harry Reid said ‘the war is lost’ was the true effect of the battle. We learned there will NEVER be another conflict as long as there are ‘Progressives’ you must fight at home.
Shoulda learned that lesson after Vietnam, I guess.


52 posted on 05/02/2015 5:39:37 PM PDT by griswold3 (Just another unlicensed nonconformist in am dangerous Liberal world.)
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To: samtheman

We see what happens when anarchies fill vacuums in Muslim land.


53 posted on 05/02/2015 5:39:41 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: griswold3

There needed to be will to ignore the progressives (assuming there was a sane follow up plan, otherwise it is a question about what flavor of hell you want, vanilla or chocolate).


54 posted on 05/02/2015 5:40:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: WilliamIII

Electing Baraka Hussein twice is THE MISTAKE.

Rand Paul is a creepy enigma.


55 posted on 05/02/2015 5:42:47 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA)
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To: WilliamIII

Hate to say it, but I don’t necessarily disagree.


56 posted on 05/02/2015 5:45:11 PM PDT by Paradox (Sayin it like I see it, wherever and whenever I see fit.)
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To: Rome2000

Paul is not always practical. We can’t ignore the rest of the world as conveniently as we did in the days of the founding fathers. I disagree with Paul that we can act as though those oceans do now what they did then.

BUT. I can respect when he thinks through consequences.


57 posted on 05/02/2015 5:45:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The father is ethical, although it implies some kooky positions. The son will forego ethical decisions for politically acceptable positions without wherewithal.


58 posted on 05/02/2015 5:47:39 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: svcw

No it doesn’t, people don’t remember that Rand Paul was trying to make his dad president, as part of the libertarian party.


59 posted on 05/02/2015 5:49:30 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: WilliamIII
I hate Rand Paul, just as I hate the Ron Paul. I believe they are both lying opportunists and both strongly anti-Israel.

In this case, I believe Rand Paul is speaking the truth, but not because he believes it or cares about it but because he correctly perceives that the 2003 invasion of Iraq is looked on negatively by a lot of voters in America and -- lying opportunist that he is -- he's trying to capitalize on that.

But... forgetting all about Rand and Ron for a minute... I do believe it was a colossal mistake -- a blunder of the highest order -- to invade Iraq in 2003.

In 2003 we had the best of all possible worlds in that region: We had our foot on Saddam's neck with our overflights and other controls in place. Saddam was still a very, very effective block against Shiite expansionism both internally and from Iran. Saddam actually kept a lid on Islamic fundamentalism with his semi-secular communist Baathist system, a system which allowed Christians to remain alive in Iraq (unlike now) and allowed women to walk around without the worst of the chains of islam around their necks (unlike now).

Bush had good intentions. He wanted to take the war on terror to the home ground of the terrorists, and I think he was successful at doing that. I think over the years in Iraq, the battlefield was a flytrap that resulted in the killing of a large number of terrorist creeps.

But it wasn't worth the sacrifice of the control of the region that we had in 2003 prior to the invasion and which we have completely lost today.

And to those who say we lost that control because Obungler pulled out, well, yes, of course that's true, but it's also obviously true that Obungler was elect precisely because of the invasion of 2003.

No invasion of Iraq in 2003, no President Obama.

It was the biggest blunder in American history, even greater than Jimmy the Cockroach giving Iran to the ayatollah.

And it goes without saying that Bush's belief in his ability to bring democracy to Iraq is probably the most naive belief of any President of the United States ever.

60 posted on 05/02/2015 5:49:51 PM PDT by samtheman ( BushClinton. The Yesterday Candidate.)
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