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To: central_va; Jacquerie; Hostage; Political Junkie Too
The Birch Society and Eagle Forum folks have their hearts in the right place, but they don't know what they're talking about. I'll grant that there are a lot of unknowns because there has never been an Amendments Convention under the Constitution.

But the people behind the COS movement have done their homework. They know about the Dillon and Coleman decisions, and how Congress will try to take control of the process using them as a pretext. They also know that if Congress tried that, it would violate the original intent of the Framers when they wrote Article V. Dr. Natelson, ALEC and the COS movement are working to occupy that legal ground before Congress can. The organizational meetings that COS has held are putting together the legal grounds for freezing Congress out of the process, which is what the Framers wanted.

The first thing that frightens the Birchers and Eagle Forum types is the possibility that the DC power structure will pervert original intent and hand the convention's organization, staffing and supervision over to Congress. The second thing they fear is the Left's plans to pervert an Amendments Convention, which shouldn't be a surprise because a successful convention would roll the federal government back to 1860. The third thing is their fear of the moral character of the American people, the fear that we are long past any capacity for self-government. I handled that directly in an earlier post.

I understand their fears, but I'm willing to try this solution. The alternative is bloodshed.

217 posted on 05/03/2015 5:42:45 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Publius
I understand their fears, but I'm willing to try this solution. The alternative is bloodshed.

When there is only 3 seconds left on the clock in the fourth quarter, and your team is down by 5 points and you are on your own 40 yard line, most often a Hail Mary is the only play in the book that makes any sense.

222 posted on 05/03/2015 9:12:56 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Publius
Obama has usurped the entirety of Article I Section 1. He has taken over healthcare. He determines spending. The internet is his. He will have tens of millions of illegals voting in 2016. The senate is about to surrender its treaty powers. His DOJ protects high criminals in the executive branch and is angling to take over state and local level policing.

Against this background we are supposed to fear an Article V convention, and instead keep voting conservative.

I suppose it will take the equivalent of a Reichstag fire to knock the American people off bottom-dead-center and reclaim their republic.

228 posted on 05/04/2015 5:38:33 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To shun Article V is to embrace tyranny.)
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To: Publius
The Birch Society and Eagle Forum folks have their hearts in the right place, but they don't know what they're talking about. I'll grant that there are a lot of unknowns because there has never been an Amendments Convention under the Constitution.

That IS what they are talking about. That's precisely the issue.

But the people behind the COS movement have done their homework.

No, they have not. The COS movement is dominated by the arrogance of Mike Farris and is simply a triumph of hope over experience. The COS movement has simply strung together a bunch of hopes and confuse their hopes with reality.

They know about the Dillon and Coleman decisions, and how Congress will try to take control of the process using them as a pretext. They also know that if Congress tried that, it would violate the original intent of the Framers when they wrote Article V

But isn't that the wole problem they are trying to solve? Congress IS violating the original intent of the Framers. That's the problem. So, yes, of course Congress would violate the original intent of the Framers. That's what Congress has been doing for close to 170 years. So what makes you think they are going to stop now?


251 posted on 05/15/2015 8:02:57 PM PDT by Moseley (http://www.MoseleyComments.com)
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