Posted on 04/30/2015 10:27:55 PM PDT by Nachum
BALTIMORE (WJZ ) — From the beginning, the investigation into what killed Freddie Gray has centered on what happened inside the police transport van.
We knew there was another prisoner inside the van and tonight we hear from him.
WJZ‘s Mike Schuh is the first to speak with Donta Allen about what he heard.
(Excerpt) Read more at baltimore.cbslocal.com ...
I’ve thought the same thing. I wouldn’t want to be flung around in there with my hands cuffed. I don’t see where any bolts would be sticking out in the factory finish of a van like that. Did somebody do a half arsed repair on it?
I beg your pardon? What is your problem with anything I said?
On another site they said that if he was not secure, and with the slanted roof....he could have very well caused a spine injury....the bolts simply show that he was indeed hitting his head...there’s likely more than one on his head that shows he was thrashing himself around trying to injure himself.
I know people don’t want to believe he could do this...but this guy was more than irritated about being arrested...it is not unusual for habitual criminals to thrash themselves in order to injure so they can blame the police. It’s really quite possible he was doing this since he had a history of over 18 arrests.
Some places started to put cameras on school buses in the late 90’s but in 2015 a prisoner transport van doesn’t have one. The video would clear all this up pretty quick
“Sources said the medical examiner found Gray’s catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.”
This is an excerpt from the story released earlier.
I don’t think the examiner is saying that the bolt caused lethal injury, I think he is saying that a slam into the back wall of the van broke his neck, and those are injuries that killed him.
It seems like the examiner is saying the bolt caused an injury somewhere on his head that illustrates where his head contacted the back of the van and that it did contact the back of the van. Basically that the injury caused by the bolt to his head is evidence of the fall or slam that did kill him.
At least that is what I am getting out of that article.
Problem enough?
Someone said if running from police, very possibly he had drugs on him, if swallowed them could have been on quite a high on whatever.
The claim was that he hit his head on a bolt that caused a lethal injury. Supposedly that came from the med. examiner’s office. I don’t know if that’s rumor or true but where are any bolts projecting out far enough to cause injury?
As for breaking his neck by thrashing around I would think it would be possible from either a rough ride or from throwing himself around. Some Fox News doctor said it wasn’t possible to break his neck by throwing himself around in there. I don’t believe that. People break their necks from a lot less.
Then it was misinformation given on Fox News because that was how they reported it.
That response is even more vague than the first. I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
Then you have no idea what you said? How old are you, 15?
Try again tomorrow when you sober up and can post a coherent thought.
Hmmm. I can’t comment on that, because I did not see that, or at least I do not remember seeing it on Fox.
Just going strictly on that story I linked-
““Sources said the medical examiner found Gray’s catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.”
It seems like the examiner is saying that hard contact with the back of the van caused the catastrophic injury, and that the bolt related injury illustrates, demonstrates or otherwise proves that at some point his head contacted the back of the van containing that bolt with sufficient force to leave the mark of that bolt.
Looking at those pictures posted in this thread, I do not see a bolt that is large enough or protruding to such an extent that contacting it would cause mortal injury. But I do see what looks like rivets or something like that on the back door that could potentially leave an mark if one hit one hard enough.
That sounds sensible. All I had to go on was what I heard on Fox News.
Your responses to my words make no sense. Are you an idiot?
Could it be that the banging sound was just Dead Freddie flopping around on every turn or bump in the road?
The point of the pic was to show there was no divider between sides. Don’t know if that’s the actual van though.
To be honest with you, I cannot even be sure that what I pasted from that story is precisely accurate.
It is very difficult to get to the truth of a matter when all you have to go on is different reports of various items made by different people.
Depending on the way a person reporting any given item words that report, a report can be open to any number of interpretations or even misinterpretations.
I have had trouble understand the difference between he died of a broken spine or tears or rips to his spine to he died of a broken neck.
Use of the word spine versus neck causes me to envision possibilities that may not relate to his actual mortal injuries at all. It’s two different areas of the body even though technically they could be considered the same thing, so it’s confusing to me.
Which in the end is why I wish they would release a solid report with their findings in a way that I could study instead of having to rely on reporters. That is frustrating.
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