Posted on 04/27/2015 2:13:46 AM PDT by markomalley
Can Islam be reformed? Its a tricky question because, according to a great many Muslim leaders and Western leaders, it doesnt need reforming. As they keep insisting, the beheadings, slave trafficking, and general violence committed in the name of Islam have nothing to do with Islam.
Despite the many attempts to prop it up, some cracks are now appearing in that narrative. In a New Years Day speech to Islamic scholars and clerics, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi blamed the corpus of [Islamic] texts and ideas that we have sacralized for antagonizing the entire world, and he called for a religious revolution. More recently, in an essay for the Wall Street Journal, Ayaan Hirsi Ali called for a thorough reformation of Islam (WSJ, March 21-22, 2015). Hirsi Ali, who left Islam and who has fought for the rights of Muslim women both as an author and as a member of the Dutch parliament, lists several needed changes:
Looking at the list, you can appreciate the difficulty of the proposed reformation. Among other things Hirsi Ali is asking Muslim men to give up their dreams of a heavenly harem. Most difficult of all, she also calls for a repudiation of those parts of Muhammads legacy that summon Muslims to intolerance and war.
If youre a non-Muslim, you might be inclined to say, Sure, why not? But its not quite so simple. As Hirsi Ali points out, Muhammad enjoys an infallible, semi-divine status among Muslims. To reform Islam by repudiating Muhammad is akin to reforming Christianity by repudiating Christ. In short, it would be a tough sell.
Hirsi Alis solution to the difficulty is to divide Muhammads life into two periods: Mecca and Medina. After twelve years of trying to peacefully persuade his fellow Meccans that he was the messenger of God, Muhammad migrated with his followers to Medina, and began to use more forceful means of persuasionraiding, looting, assassination, and warfare. The portion of the Koran that was composed during the years in Medina reflects this more militaristic mindset. Accordingly Hirsi Ali (and others), recommends that Muslims retain the more spiritual, religious form of Islam that developed in Mecca, and reject the supremacist and intolerant form that developed in Medina.
But, again, it wont be easy. For starters, the Koran is not neatly divided into the Meccan period and the Medina period. Unlike the Bible, which is roughly chronological and which clearly separates the New Testament from the Old Testament, the Koran has no chronology. It contains 114 suras or chapters, but they are arranged arbitrarily by length with the largest suras coming first and the shortest, last. Thus, the early chapters may be from the Meccan period or maybe not. Scholars have been able to figure out which passages belong to which period, but ordinary people would be at a loss. To further complicate matters, some of the revelations received in Medina are included in some of the chapters begun in Mecca.
What makes Hirsi Alis suggestion even more problematic is that the Muslim calendar is dated not from 610 AD when Muhammad supposedly received his first revelation in Mecca, but from 622 AD when he migrated to Medina and commenced his warrior career. Muslim tradition, then, puts much more emphasis on the part of Muhammads life that Ali wants Muslims to repudiatenamely, those parts of Muhammads legacy that summon Muslims to intolerance and war.
Moreover, although the Meccan verses are more peaceful than the Medina verses, the intolerance was there from the start. Muhammad divided the world into believers (in Islam) and unbelievers, and he had very little use for the unbelievers. Its difficult to find any chapters that dont remind the reader of the wickedness and vileness of unbelievers. And there are few chapters from any period in Muhammads life that fail to describe in detail the well-deserved fate that awaits the unbeliever in hell.
In fact, the pagan Meccans were far more tolerant of Muhammad than he was of them. They would have been happy had Muhammad set up a shrine to his god alongside all the others that lined the Kaaba. Its a tribute to their patience that they put up with him for twelve years despite the abuse he constantly heaped on them.
In some ways, of course, Islam was an improvement on Arabian paganism. In a theme found throughout the entire Koran, Muhammads Allah seems almost Christian in his concern with the welfare of widows and orphans. And in one verse (81:1-4), Muhammad inveighs against female infanticide, a common practice at that time.
On the other hand, Muhammad himself was responsible for creating a great many widows and orphanssome of whom were subsequently sold into slavery and some of whom, if they were young enough and pretty enough, became his brides. Apologists for the widowmaker prophet claim that such was the unfortunate by-product of battle in those days. That excuse doesnt work, however, for the occasions when Muhammad ordered cold-blooded assassinations of people he disliked. For example, when the prophet heard that a poetess, Asma bint Marwan, had composed verses mocking him, he sought a volunteer to dispatch her. The volunteer, who killed the woman while she slept surrounded by her six children, asked Muhammad in the morning if he would have to bear any evil consequences for the deed. The prophet assured him that two goats wont butt their heads about her."
Even if a merciful verse is not compromised by Muhammads own actions, it stands a good chance of being cancelled out by a contradictory verse in the same sura. The most glaring example of this is the warning that whoever killed a human being shall be regarded as having killed all mankind, followed immediately by the notice that those who oppose God and his apostle shall be slain or crucified (5:32-5:33).
Putting the contradictions aside, it must be acknowledged that there are peaceful verses in the Koran that strike the right note for the Christian ear. Whether there are enough of them to build a religion around is another matter. If you were to reduce the Koran to the tolerant and peaceful verses, you would be left with a fairly slender volumeabout the size of a book of Khalil Gibrans love poems in large print.
There are other problems with attempting to split the prophet into good Muhammad and bad Muhammad. We usually judge a man and his work by his whole life, not by one segment of it, and we tend to put more weight on the latter half of the life. This is especially the case with religious figures. We can forgive a saints earlier sins if he made up for them by his later good deeds. The young Saul persecuted the first Christians and Augustine was a zealous sinner in his early years, but both were profoundly and dramatically changed for the better after their conversions.
Muhammad reverses the order. There is no evidence that he was a debauched sinner who suddenly found God and decided to change his ways. Before his first revelation, Muhammad seems to have been a model citizena trustworthy merchant who was faithful to one wife. After the revelation he seems to have developed an increased sense of his own importance and a growing willingness to bend the moral rules to his own inclinations. If Muhammad refrained from using force during his Meccan ministry, it was because he was considerably outnumbered. His followers never amounted to more than one hundred during those first twelve years. After the move to Medina, the numbers increased and he was able to go on the offensive. Medina was also the time when Muhammad began to sin more boldly. He acquired more wives and concubines, went back on his promises, traded slaves, and massacred defenseless captives.
But, as the Muslim calendar attests, this was also the beginning of the glory days of Islam. Muhammads conquests and those of his immediate successors offered seemingly irrefutable proof that this was indeed the true religion of Allah. Muslims could try to ignore this period but it would be equivalent to a judge ordering a jury to disregard the most startling revelations from the witness stand.
Its convenient from the reformist point of view to ignore the Medina years and attempt to build a better religion around the handful of kumbaya-like verses in the early Koran. However, the significance of the bloody ten-year Medina period is that it casts doubt on the whole enterprise. It suggests that there was something wrong about Islam from the start. As stated above, we tend to put more weight on the later part of a holy mans life. As he grows in faith, his holiness increases. But what can you say about a man whose rapaciousness increases as he grows in faith? What can you say about the faith that motivates him?
Suppose that in the last half of his ministry, Christ took to owning slaves, ordering assassinations, and sanctioning rape. Wouldnt that cast doubt on his entire ministry? Wouldnt it invalidate his claim to be the Son of God? Wouldnt it call into question the authenticity of the Christian revelation?
The Medina Muhammad and the Meccan Muhammad are the same mana man whose life is considered the model for Muslims to imitate in every detail. As we are now finding out, however, the imitation of Muhammad and the imitation of Christ lead in entirely different directions. If Muslims were to repudiate Muhammad, the world would be a much safer place. But we shouldnt fool ourselves into thinking that such an accomplishment can be easily or quickly achieved. As Serge Trifkovic maintains in The Sword of the Prophet:
Because the man and the faith are so intimately entwined, a repudiation of Muhammad is tantamount to a repudiation of Islam itself.
No, Mad Mo gave instructions in their book that anyone attempting to change the religion should be killed.
Islam has always been a religion of slavery and conquest.
There is no radical Islam.
There is just Islam.
Everything ISIS is doing is in their book. That IS Islam.
No.
Next question?
Have any of their “religious” tenants changed since the 7th century?
I believe the answer is written in history, so promoting reform, like peace on earth, is a waste of time, lives, and energy. If the sons of pig f’n dogs act out on their koranic scatology then kill them where you find them.
Christianity was reformed because the Church had (once again) gotten away from the Word of God and imposed institutions of Man as a higher authority, making “doctrine” to support their agenda along the way.
The Reformation was about getting back to the actual Word of Scripture.
Islam has the problem that they ARE ACTUALLY ACTING IN CONFORMITY WITH their “scripture”, so what do they “reform” to?
I wish Ayaan Hirsi Ali well in her exposing the ravages of Islam, but she is an atheist & this is what happens when atheists join the debate.
To atheists, ALL religions are human-generated constructs that can be flaked & formed and made into something better if only science, reason & logic (atheism’s trinity) are allowed to prevail in creating a new more benevolent order.
Needless to say this undercuts atheists’ ability to comprehend what drives the urge to believe for any pious religious person. If there is no such thing as the Divine, then the negatives of a religion are simply the result of disordered reasoning which can be gradually eliminated through rational discourse.
Pat Condell is supposed to be a great counterjihadist, but he holds Christianity in equal contempt & refrains from criticizing it only because he perceives it as not currently a retrograde force in the world. That he directs his rhetorical fire against the violence inherent in Islam is but cold comfort to Christian or Jewish believers. He is a cobelligerent, not an ally.
Those resist Islam best who know that the God of Creation is the God to call upon in the ongoing agressive war waged by those who worship a false god that they call Allah.
No. Next question.
Agree. Yes, Islam can be reformed, right after WWIII.
Reforming Islam is about like improving your septic tank by adding lots and lots of perfume.
No, it cannot. Satan, its creator will not permit it.
Maybe, with the sword.........
It is a fascinating and meticulously referenced look into why Sunni Moslims think the way they do. The author is most emphatic that the work applies ONLY to Sunni Islam.
Everything boils down to a doctrine battle fought roughly a thousand years ago. The side arguing for the Koran being created by Allah and there being limitations on Allah because of his nature lost. The side arguing that there are absolutely no limits on Allah and that the Koran has coexisted with Allah throughout all time won.
While this may not seem like a big deal to most non-Moslims, it is a big deal to Moslims and has far reaching ramifications which the author deals with in detail.
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Can Islam be reformed?
Short answer: No.
The prophet himself was an unregenerate killer. Islam is the fruit of an animal.
I think you’ve hit the bullseye. When all is said and done, you still have the “Prophet.” With him as the perfect example for mankind, don’t look for any progress along those lines.
>>>Do you want Judaism reformed? Christianity reformed? Why would muslim want Islam reformed. It is what it is. Nothing is going to change the basic after several centuries. Deal with it.<<<
Both Judaism and Christianity have reformed themselves several times since their founding. That’s the strength found in those religions. The knowledge that human beings are imperfect in our relationship to God should make the observant Jew or Christian deeply humble and modest, and when that is combined with faith and reverence, a person can experience profound change. That’s why Christianity eventually wiped out slavery, even though it’s accepted in the Bible. There’s Reform Jews. And Protestants.
In Islam, you believe that the Koran and the revealed word given to Mohammed is perfect and unchangeable, so it follows that your adherence to the Islam makes you perfect. There’s no need for improvement. As a result, you get insufferable monsters, and calls for death to anyone who strays a speck away from what is considered perfect.
Levin wrote about the corrosive impact of utopianism on societies in one of his books. Islam claims utopia. And here we are.
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