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To: Cronos

I really don’t care to get into what the Vatican did or didn’t do...there was plenty of bad events happening they went along with ...and like others plenty who tried to help...even the German people tried to hide and assist the Jews...

The idea is that the world knew and still this went on and on and on...often with the help of local authorities and peoples. People chose not to believe this was possible....even with the evidence in hand.


77 posted on 04/22/2015 1:25:49 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Caww post 64: The Pope, who made no public statement against Nazi policy

then after I showed you overwhelming evidence that your statement was wrong, you change it to post 77 I really don’t care to get into what the Vatican did or didn’t do

really?

If you don't care about this, why make that false statement?

78 posted on 04/22/2015 1:48:57 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: caww

There were no “plenty of bad events that they went along with...” — you can’t make false statements and then when shown they are wrong come up with “I really don’t care to get into what the Vatican did or didn’t do”


79 posted on 04/22/2015 1:49:47 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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caww: The idea is that the world knew and still this went on and on and on...often with the help of local authorities and peoples. People chose not to believe this was possible....even with the evidence in hand.

How many times to tell you -- there was no "local authority" in occupied Poland in WWII -- Poland was torn apart.

let's take it that caww is a Christian living in Kraków in 1942 and has a Jewish neighbor. The neighbor is going to be rounded up and sent to a camp. You probably know it's going to be hard like the Soviet gulags, but you also KNOW that if you help him and are discovered, you and your family are going to be sent to the camp. What do you do?

80 posted on 04/22/2015 1:52:31 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: caww
Caww post 64: The Pope, who made no public statement against Nazi policy

then after I showed you overwhelming evidence that your statement was wrong, you change it to post 77 I really don’t care to get into what the Vatican did or didn’t do

really?

If you don't care about this, why make that false statement?

The Israeli Consul to Italy after the war, Rabbi Pinchas Lapide, credited the Holy See with directly saving 860,000 Jewish lives. When he died, Pius XII was eulogized by Golda Meir on the floor of the UN General Assembly. I guess you know more than she did about who did and didn't oppose the Holocaust?

The Good Samaritan: Jewish Praise for Pius XII

Even the Wikipedia article is far more balanced.

It contains the following reaction by leading Nazi Reinhard Heydrich to Pope Pius XII's Christmas address of 1942:

In a manner never known before, the Pope has repudiated the National Socialist New European Order. His radio allocution was a masterpiece of clerical falsification of the National Socialist Weltanschauung...the Pope does not refer to the National Socialists in Germany by name, but his speech is one long attack on everything we stand for...God, he says, regards all peoples and races as worthy of the same consideration. Here he is clearly speaking on behalf of the Jews...That this speech is directed exclusively against the New Order in Europe as seen in National Socialism is clear in the papal statement that mankind owes a debt to 'all who during the war have lost their Fatherland and who, although personally blameless have, simply on account of their nationality and origin, been killed or reduced to utter destitution.' Here he is virtually accusing the German people of injustice towards the Jews, and makes himself the mouthpiece of the Jewish war criminals.
Do you really want to claim that the Nazis didn't know exactly where they stood with Pius XII, and somehow him "speaking out" would have accomplished something worthwhile? Seriously?

Incidentally, the whole "Pius XII acquiesced to the Holocaust" lie was a fabrication by the KGB.

88 posted on 04/22/2015 6:30:40 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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