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To: dp0622; kabar
I would never lie to a fellow freeper. I was taken aback when he said it but he did. I will still vote for him.

Cruz is incredibly bright. He understands he will lose more votes than he gains if he says he wants to deport all the illegals. The country will never support it. I think he's right, about the best we can do at this point is secure the border, improve the visa system and aggressively deport anyone who commits a felony.

51 posted on 04/19/2015 4:13:41 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: wmfights

It is the SMART thing to do. I feel for the die hards on this right that one them all deported. But short of an open war and military defeat of the left, and forced deportation thereafter, it is not going to happen. Now I don’t want to get killed here, and illegal immigration is WRONG, but the problem here on Staten Island where there are zillions, is not them, it’s the blacks. Mexicans work brutally hard, tip great (I drove a cab) go to church and just beat up each other when they are drunk lol. But the FIRST misdemeanor or felony, back you go. And militarize the border!!


54 posted on 04/19/2015 4:19:33 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: wmfights

Cruz needs to remind all voters, including Hispanics that retention of any kind destroys their own children’s future. It also destroys the fsmilies in the sending countries. A csndidate for President should be willing to sign only legislation that is win win for America and the sending countries helping them to become vigorous players in a world economy and not enslavers of their own people. That woild be true compassion. Retention, no.

All the Hispanics I know in that category are likely to see the truth in that.


58 posted on 04/19/2015 5:08:18 PM PDT by amihow
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To: wmfights
Cruz is incredibly bright. He understands he will lose more votes than he gains if he says he wants to deport all the illegals.

As I indicated in a previous post, the proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from experiences in Georgia, Colorado, and Arizona proving that it does.

No one is suggesting mass deportation, but Cruz should not be advocating mass legalization, temporary or otherwise. This is the same scam that was included in the 2007 McCain-Kennedy bill and then again in the Gang of 8 bill. Once legalized, they can stay and work here.

I think he's right, about the best we can do at this point is secure the border, improve the visa system and aggressively deport anyone who commits a felony.

Improve the visa system how? I hope you realize that most of the illegals have committed felonies beyond entering this country illegally, which is a misdemeanor. It is a myth that most illegals are otherwise law-abiding. The violations include laws involving the entry, presence, and travel of illegal aliens as well as laws related to employment such as perjury and identity theft. Examples of oft-violated but under-enforced laws include:

False Personation of a U.S. Citizen (18 U.S.C. § 911). Illegal aliens often present themselves as U.S. citizens, an act punishable by up to five years in jail, a felony. This law is often cited in immigration prosecutions and may involve, for example, an alien claiming U.S. citizenship to his employer.

Fraud and False Statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001). It is common for illegal aliens to make false statements to the government or on official documents. An illegal alien violates this law when claiming to be a U.S. citizen on an I-9 Employment Eligibility form and faces a fine and up to five years imprisonment.

Social Security Fraud (42 U.S.C. § 408). This statute has been invoked where an illegal alien provided a false Social Security number for the purpose of acquiring a job, where an illegal alien used a fraudulent Social Security number for the purpose of acquiring a driver's license, and when an illegal alien used a Social Security card belonging to a citizen in order to obtain Section 8 housing, for example. Violation of this statute can result in a fine and/or imprisonment up to five years. The court can also require violators to provide restitution to the victims.

This does not address crimes of violence, property crimes like vandalism, or other acts like gang activity and drunk driving. A 2011 GAO Report noted that the number of criminal aliens in federal prisons in fiscal year 2010 was about 55,000, and the number of SCAAP criminal alien incarcerations in state prison systems and local jails was about 296,000 in fiscal year 2009 (the most recent data available), and the majority were from Mexico.

Even McCain said that there were 2 million criminal aliens who should be deported immediately. However, why isn't being done now since that is the law. Why does anyone think that we will enforce our laws once the illegals are legalized? And when you reward something, you get more of it. We had a "one-time" amnesty in 1986. The USG estimated that one million would apply, but the real number turned out to be 2.7 million. The process was rife with fraud. Does anyone think we can process 12 to 20 million illegal aliens efficiently? How long would that take? This is all a scam. Instead of enforcing the law first, we are told we must legalize them first. No one believes that once legalized, these people will have this status taken away from them. Obama's two executive amnesties are meant to do exactly that. There will be no reversal of those granted "temporary" legalization.

I am a grassroots immigration activist who lobbies on the Hill. Most Americans are ill-informed about immigration and easy to manipulate by the politicians who parse words and redefine the language. Amnesty is forever.

62 posted on 04/19/2015 5:45:35 PM PDT by kabar
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