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I could point to all sorts of examples, but if you can't see them for yourself, it is a waste of my time. You either don't know the history, or don't consider the action to be an abuse which led to Fedzilla. Either way, it isn't worth my time.

Oh, I can point to a lot of examples that contributed to Fedzilla, just nothing by Lincoln. You claim it was all Lincoln. I would say When Wilson brought in the international bankers to throw the Federal Reserve System on us, that was the biggest jump-start to Fedzilla. Then there was FDR with his paying farmers not to work, stealing our gold, land grabs, progressive taxation, everything else he did. Then there was Lyndon Johnson with his Great Society. Nixon a little with wage and price controls. Carter and his anti-market rhetoric, Bill Clinton with his land grabs and progressive taxation, then Obama continuing the traditions of the earlier Democrats. There are individual actions that we can point to as contributions to Fedzilla. It's amazing you make your claims and yet you cannot point to a single example to back your claims.

Oh, I can point to a lot of examples that contributed to Fedzilla, just nothing by Lincoln. You claim it was all Lincoln.

I claim Lincoln STARTED IT. I didn't say it was all Lincoln. Lincoln just set the Precedent. Teddy Roosevelt continued it. Woodrow Wilson went even further. Franklin Deleanor Roosevelt pushed it massively forward. LBJ Killed us with it, Nixon followed thereafter, as did Carter, then we had George HW Bush, Bill Clinton, George W, and now Barack Obama.

All of these people expanded Fedzilla, but Lincoln was the first person to initiate the trend.

I would say When Wilson brought in the international bankers to throw the Federal Reserve System on us, that was the biggest jump-start to Fedzilla. Then there was FDR with his paying farmers not to work, stealing our gold, land grabs, progressive taxation, everything else he did. Then there was Lyndon Johnson with his Great Society. Nixon a little with wage and price controls. Carter and his anti-market rhetoric, Bill Clinton with his land grabs and progressive taxation, then Obama continuing the traditions of the earlier Democrats. There are individual actions that we can point to as contributions to Fedzilla. It's amazing you make your claims and yet you cannot point to a single example to back your claims.

Oh, I can point to examples, but if you can't see them yourself, it is utterly pointless for me to try to persuade you. It's like being unable to see the color "blue". I can't make you see it, and I don't feel like trying. It's not worth my trouble.