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Surely you are familiar with the 14th amendment? Do you have any idea how many federal abuses have been since enabled by that? Tossing religion out of schools, Abortion, Forced Busing, Gay Marriage, All the Affirmative Action policies, Anchor Babies, Destruction of Article II, Gender Issues, and so many other things that are simply too extensive to mention. The 14th amendment has become the worst abused amendment of the constitution. It has been used to justify the most horrible abuses by FedZilla, especially through the courts, and I would have thought most conservatives were familiar with the phenomena. Virtually every destructive policy we are currently enduring traces back to an abuse of the 14th amendment. And this doesn't even address the fact that this amendment wasn't passed through the consent of the governed, it was coerced by the use of guns pointed at people's heads. Had it been left to an actual will of the people, it likely never would have been added to the constitution.

Lincoln didn't pass the 14th amendment and his Vice President vetoed it. So I'm not seeing how all the ills you spoke of of the late 19th, 20, and 21st centuries can be blamed on Lincoln. You yourself say the amendment was "abused". So it's not the amendment that was bad, it's the abuse of that amendment. That's the same with other parts of our Constitution, the Constitution is good, it's the abuse of our Constitution that's bad, and Lincoln's had nothing to do with that.

We lost our country with Wilson and FDR.

Lincoln didn't pass the 14th amendment and his Vice President vetoed it.

You are being intellectually dishonest if you are ignoring the groundwork Lincoln laid which was necessary for it's passage. For one, all those Federal troops holding the Citizenry hostage to the Legislators of the Southern States.

So I'm not seeing how all the ills you spoke of of the late 19th, 20, and 21st centuries can be blamed on Lincoln.

If you are not, then I wonder if you are intellectually up to the challenge of this discussion. Do you see how Jimmy Carter's policies are going to result in a Nuclear war with Iran?

You yourself say the amendment was "abused". So it's not the amendment that was bad, it's the abuse of that amendment.

No, the amendment itself was bad. Have you ever read it? It is the most convoluted, overreaching piece of garbage ever drafted by a Congress. It is needlessly vague where clarity is needed, and hopelessly detailed in areas which are irrelevant.

At the very least, it should have been two separate amendments, but it tries to do too much in one. The 14th amendment, is a badly written mess, and is vague and broad enough to lend itself to abuse.

That's the same with other parts of our Constitution, the Constitution is good, it's the abuse of our Constitution that's bad, and Lincoln's had nothing to do with that.

Again, this is where I wonder if you have the intellectual heft to discuss this issue. No honest person can ignore Lincoln's role in creating the Fedzilla uber alles doctrine which became commonplace thereafter. Teddy Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson simply expanded on what Lincoln started. FDR and LBJ topped it off.