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To: DJ Taylor

“Scum like Harry Reid are known as “Jack” Mormons in the Mormon community. In other words, Mormons in name only (MINO).”

I don’t believe that Reid is regarded as such. As someone else pointed out, Reid does “Home Teaching” in DC, so you have to believe he is regarded as a member in good standing. Although our names still are listed, my wife and I are (and have not been for some 50 years) active in the Mormon Church (and we don’t believe in it’s teachings either). We decided long ago that it was not worthwhile to have our names removed because it would cause family problems for both of us that are better avoided by doing nothing. Nevertheless, on rare occasion, someone shows up at our door to “see how we are doing.” It’s been more than a year since anyone stopped by, but maybe it’s because I told them the last time they were here, that as long as Reid as a member, they are not welcome to call. Their response was that the vast majority of “local Mormons” who do attend church could not understand why the church had not excommunicated Reid. When you gauge the level of decency of most Mormons, you’d be closer to the kind of people most of them are by looking at Romney. You might disagree with his politics (and we do ) but he’s a decent man.
FWIW, I see nearly all organized religions in pretty much the same light. When was the last time a Rabbi or a Priest ( or fill in the blank for your favorite flavor of clergy) came out and castigated or called for excommunication of the likes of Nancy Pelosi, or one of the large numbers of Jews who are actively engaged in helping Obola?
Now, I’m sure that the Mormon Hater’s here on FR will come out with their claws sharpened to take issue with what I’ve written.


39 posted on 04/02/2015 1:46:58 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387
I don’t believe that Reid is regarded as such. As someone else pointed out, Reid does “Home Teaching” in DC, so you have to believe he is regarded as a member in good standing....Nevertheless, on rare occasion, someone shows up at our door to “see how we are doing.” It’s been more than a year since anyone stopped by, but maybe it’s because I told them the last time they were here, that as long as Reid as a member, they are not welcome to call. Their response was that the vast majority of “local Mormons” who do attend church could not understand why the church had not excommunicated Reid...I see nearly all organized religions in pretty much the same light. When was the last time a Rabbi or a Priest ( or fill in the blank for your favorite flavor of clergy) came out and castigated or called for excommunication of the likes of Nancy Pelosi, or one of the large numbers of Jews who are actively engaged in helping Obola?

Thank you for reinforcing my post #15.

As post #43 shows, it's not simply that the Mormon church hasn't excommunicated Reid.

You mention Pelosi, but imagine the Roman Catholic church making her a "visiting home teacher" about the Catholic church. (That's more tantamount to what the Mormon church does in sanctioning Reid)

And, of course, as mentioned, BYU invited Reid to speak. Imagine a Roman Catholic inviting a rabid pro-abortion liberal pol to speak on campus...oh, wait...Notre Dame did do that with inviting Obama on campus, didn't it?

Well, in both cases you've got the powers that be going beyond simply not excommunicating a pol.

What you have is open and specific sanction. That's a bridge too far -- and one I don't see you acknowledging.

51 posted on 04/02/2015 2:10:57 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: vette6387

vette, although I may pigeon holed as a “mormon hater” as a result of my engaging in doctrinal discussions re: mormonism, I’m not. I view those of the mormon faith as I would any other, I judge them by their character. Reid’s “character” is beneath contempt, but I don’t gauge all mormons because of him.

The doctrine is what I, an ex-mormon, take issue with, not the people unless one has earned or deserves it.

My wife is still very active, so the local ward does make it a point to “check” on me now and again....


109 posted on 04/02/2015 5:11:52 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: vette6387
Now, I’m sure that the Mormon Hater’s here on FR will come out with their claws sharpened to take issue with what I’ve written.

Not ME!!





In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

176 posted on 04/03/2015 3:54:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vette6387
When was the last time a Rabbi or a Priest ( or fill in the blank for your favorite flavor of clergy) came out and castigated or called for excommunication of the likes of Nancy Pelosi, or one of the large numbers of Jews who are actively engaged in helping Obola?

I just HATE castigation; no mattereth whence the source of the emanations.




Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

177 posted on 04/03/2015 3:57:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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