All I did was post actual MORMON scripture.
No Elsie, you posted two scriptures trying to show that they contradicted each other when in reality one complimented the other.
And you couldn't tell the difference.
While on the subject of contradictions... I'm totally confused by something and I just know you can help me sort this out.
You're a Wesleyan, as you've stated.
The official creed of the Wesleyan church says this:
17. The Sacraments: Baptism and the Lord's Supper
We believe that water baptism and the lord's Supper are the sacraments of the church
commanded by Christ and ordained as a means of grace when received through faith. They are tokens of our profession of Christian faith and signs of God's gracious ministry toward us. By them, He works within us to quicken, strengthen, and confirm our faith. We believe that water baptism is a sacrament of the church, commanded by our Lord and administered to believers. It is a symbol of the new covenant of grace and signifies acceptance of the benefits of the atonement of Jesus Christ. By means of this sacrament. believers declare their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior.
Your church says straight out that baptism is a commandment by Christ Himself. I can respect that.
However....
if you look into a little bit:
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Until recently, baptism has not been much of an emphasis of the Wesleyan Church. Most churches practice believer's baptism and have done it maybe once a year. You may find traces of individuals who have never been baptized or who were baptized as infants, but these are rare. Few if any would have any theology of baptismal regeneration and in practice, our sense of baptism as a sacrament has generally been somewhat weak."
"By far the majority of Wesleyans now practice believer's baptism, so much so that many would be surprised to know that it is still allowed to practice infant baptism in the Wesleyan Church. Nevertheless, my wife and I preferred for our children to be reckoned "in" the church and to have to leave it rather than to reckon them "out" until we could persuade them to come in. Dr. Bud Bence accordingly baptized our children in a Wesleyan Church."
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So basically, in practice we have moved toward the Baptists, although in our theology, we neither specify the method (immersion, sprinkling, or pouring) nor the timing (believer's or infant). For Wesleyans, baptism is a sacrament in which every believer should participate, but it is neither essential for salvation nor something whose particulars we should fight about."
"Were you baptized as an infant? You do not need to be re-baptized. If it would be significant for your spiritual pilgrimage, though, we will not stop you. Were you never baptized? You should very, very seriously consider it, although we will still call you a brother or sister if you choose not to."
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Ok, so your church acknowledges that baptism is a
commandment given by Christ. Commandment, not suggestion, or request...Commandment. You are commanded to do this--
But yet they don't really practice it. Aren't really sure how to do it. And your church members don't take it seriously.
From my point of view this falls into the category of:
Matt 15:
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
I'm curious to hear your explanation.
I'm curious to hear your explanation. I'm sure you are.
But you really shouldn't worry about me, for your chosen religion says I'll be on Level Two; with MOST of you Mormon's for ETERNITY.
But as A MORMON; who is so worried about COMMANDS from GOD; what say ye about THIS?
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)