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Indiana Pizzeria Owners Say They’d Deny LGBT People Service – And Yelp Commenters Weren’t Having It
Buzzfeed ^ | 4/1/2015 | Mary Ann Georgantopoulos

Posted on 04/01/2015 7:52:00 AM PDT by Lady4Liberty

The owners of a small pizzeria in Indiana were seemingly the first business to say they would publicly deny service to LGBT couples in the wake of Indiana’s new and controversial Religious Freedom Law.

Shortly after Memories Pizza owners agreed in a local newscast that the Religious Freedom Restoration Act allows them to deny service to LGBT people who wanted their pizza at a same-sex wedding, 1-star Yelp reviews rolled in denouncing the business.

(Excerpt) Read more at buzzfeed.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; indiana; religiousfreedom; rfra
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To: DoodleDawg

It is discrimination. But sometimes that’s what a person believes their faith requires and the legal system shouldn’t be allowed to be a tool to beat them up for it.


Yep. Discrimination is not necessarily a bad thing. People discriminate when they pick friends. They discriminate when they choose a mate, a car, a favorite restaurant. And the constitution guarantees our right to do it via “freedom of association.”

And people have a right to refuse to do business with you because you discriminate.

The government needs to butt out of this whole thing and let us be who we are and do what we want to do up to the phrase: Your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.


101 posted on 04/01/2015 9:11:49 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

We are called to do things God’s way as slaves to Him. Part of that is being a good witness where you may not want to go, Jonah wanted nothing to do with the people he was called to preach to, he sulked about it afterwards too. God is in control of your comings and goings if you are a Christian.


102 posted on 04/01/2015 9:12:41 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess

In other words, these are issues for clergy, etc. to hash out if they must, and ultimately it is about individual conscience towards God. The thing I might believe sinful to get involved with in a certain way, you might not believe sinful. And fine, I wish you well in your walk with God.

It is weird how the diversity folks quail when the issue comes down to diversity of association.


103 posted on 04/01/2015 9:12:41 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: sickoflibs

God doesn’t actually love everyone- this is the great progressive liberal lie- there are a great many verses In the bible talking about the things and the kinds of people God hates

Psalm 5: (4) For You [are] not a God enjoying wickedness; nor shall evil live with You. (5) The boasters shall not set themselves before Your eyes. You hate all workers of iniquity. (6) You shall destroy those speaking lies; Jehovah will despise the man of blood and deceit.

Psalm 11: (5) Jehovah tries the righteous, but His soul hates the wicked and the one loving violence.

Proverbs 3: (32) For the perverse one [is] hateful to Jehovah, but His intimacy [is] with the righteous.

Proverbs 16: (5) Everyone proud in heart [is] disgusting to Jehovah; [though] hand [join] in hand he shall not be innocent.

Proverbs 17: (15) He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, even both of them [are] disgusting to Jehovah.

Romans 9: (11) for [the children] not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of the [One] calling,

Psalm 139: (19) Surely You will slay the wicked, O God; and men of blood will turn away from me. (20) Who will maliciously speak against You? Your enemies are lifted up with vanity. (21) O Jehovah, do not I hate those hating You? And am I [not] detesting those rising against You? (22) I hate them [with] a perfect hatred; they have become my enemies.


104 posted on 04/01/2015 9:13:58 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The majority of people would find that appealing about the pizza shop. This stuff backfires on leftists as we saw with Chic Filet. They make a lot of noise and have control over large corporations. But they are a minority imposing their nasty and insane selves upon the majority.


105 posted on 04/01/2015 9:14:05 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: DoodleDawg

The most important word in the english language is “why”. It is the difference between killing in self defense and 1st degree murder.

Why are the customers there? To eat? Let them eat, regardless of who they are. To eat at an event that has a purpose beyond eating? If that purpose is against your principles, you have the God given right to refuse to host the event and the first amendment protects you from the government taking that right away. You are exercising your free speech by refusing the service. It also is protected under “freedom of association”.


106 posted on 04/01/2015 9:15:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf

In instance one, you are hosting an event that has as its purpose something you are morally or some other way against.

first off, I take it you meant to say in instance two, since your first instance was termed ‘one’...

You should have a right to refuse to allow your facilities to be used for it.

that is indeed the crux of the matter, is it not? That is what this entire kerfuffle will determine.

I suspect few on this forum will like the results...


107 posted on 04/01/2015 9:17:46 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Twinkie

and the bible also talks about having a perfect hatred toward the enemies of God-

Love in the verse you indicate is talking about ‘wishing them no harm’ as someone who hates someone would do- When you deal with snakes, you need to be on your guard at all times- Give them water, give them food IF they TRULY need it- however, do NOT sit to eat it with them, nor allow them to lord it over you- for they ARE your enemy and you need to treat them as such- You do not need to allow yourself to be abused by your enemies, but you do need to be ready to help IF they are TRULY in need-


108 posted on 04/01/2015 9:19:46 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Twinkie

[[Christ said that if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him drink.]]

And let me just add that these gay people demanding service- demanding that someone violate their conscience and their God is NOT what Christ was talking about- those people are NOT in need- they are simply looking to abuse someone’s faith- something an enemy WOULD do to someone they hate-


109 posted on 04/01/2015 9:21:27 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Bob434
RE :”God doesn’t actually love everyone- this is the great progressive liberal lie- there are a great many verses In the bible talking about the things and the kinds of people God hates”

They say that Jesus loves everyone.
You have any quotes like that from Jesus?

They would cite the ‘cast the first stone’ quote.

110 posted on 04/01/2015 9:22:56 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: cuban leaf

Thanks for trying but it still seems to me that the pizza party wants it both ways. And it still strikes me as being hypocritical.


111 posted on 04/01/2015 9:23:29 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: IrishBrigade

I suspect few on this forum will like the results...


The results expose what the culture really is. That is always a good thing. Shedding light on what is in the shadows.


112 posted on 04/01/2015 9:25:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Sorry but I still don’t see the difference.

you are joking, are you not...?


113 posted on 04/01/2015 9:25:40 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Cementjungle

What’s more, do it in their name.


114 posted on 04/01/2015 9:25:55 AM PDT by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All
"I’ve never heard of a “No Gays” sign. This sounds like a colossal strawman."

Saw reference to such a sign on FR, not necessarily from a FReeper, but possibly from a referenced article.

115 posted on 04/01/2015 9:26:46 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: IrishBrigade
you are joking, are you not...?

Nope.

116 posted on 04/01/2015 9:27:10 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Thanks for trying but it still seems to me that the pizza party wants it both ways.


Now I’m confused. I don’t know what you mean by that. What are the two “ways”?


117 posted on 04/01/2015 9:27:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf
That’s not what they said. If LGBT people show up for a pizza, they’ll happily sell them one. But if they ask them to cater an LGBT event, they will refuse for religious reasons.

Y'know, I've ordered pizzas for quite a few events (sometimes a large number of pizzas), and I've never once had a pizzeria ask about the nature of the event. It's always been something along the lines of:

"I'll take [X] number of pizzas, delivered at [location/time]"

"OK, that'll be [cost]" "Thanks"

118 posted on 04/01/2015 9:28:06 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

I’m talking about events that use their facility.

For most stuff you are exactly right. And even if you say your event is for such-and-such, they would probably supply the stuff if they are dropping off food and getting paid.


119 posted on 04/01/2015 9:30:01 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: null and void
It sounds like they are saying we’ll tolerate you buying pizza, just like anyone else, but please don’t ask us to provide pizza to celebrate your gayness at your wedding.

Yes, exactly analogous to the florist in my town.

If it were me personally, though, I'd put in a powered rotating door where I could hit the switch as soon as I saw them coming in.

120 posted on 04/01/2015 9:30:22 AM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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