Presbyterian Church (USA) Changes Its Constitution To Include Gay Marriage

WashingtonPost ^ | March 17, 2015 | Sarah Pulliam Bailey

[Steelfish]

Presbyterian Church (USA) Changes Its Constitution To Include Gay Marriage

By Sarah Pulliam Bailey March 17

The Presbyterian Church (USA), the largest body of Presbyterians in the country, approved a change in the wording of its constitution to allow gay and lesbian weddings within the church, a move that threatens to continue to split the mainline Protestant denomination.

The 171 regional presbyteries (local leadership bodies within the PCUSA) have been voting on whether to change the wording to call marriage a contract “between a woman and a man” to being “between two people, traditionally a man and a woman.” On Tuesday, the denomination reached its needed majority of “yes” votes from at least 86 presbyteries to take effect. The change will be included in the church’s “Book of Order,” part of its constitution, taking effect on June 21.

The church, which has more than 1.7 million members, voted last June to allow clergy to perform same-sex weddings. That vote gave clergy the choice of whether to preside over same-sex marriages in states where they are legal, an action which is now allowed in 36 state and the District of Columbia. Clergy will not be compelled to perform same-sex marriage.

[Elsie]

If by “your” reading of scripture (just as Joel Osteen, Billy Graham, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar have done etc)
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Elise confuses the personal lives of Popes, saints, sinners, martyrs with Catholic teaching.

I see...

[Elsie]

We are talking not about the personal life of Benny Hinn or Rev. Jeremiah Wright but what they discern as authentic scripture.

I am talking about the POWER of the teachings of the Catholic church to CONTROL what it's elected leaders do.

[Elsie]

I would have bet my life savings that the Baptists would NEVER in a MILLION years permit gay marriage, but there are groups that at least call themselves Baptists that are down right anxious to perform these ceremonies.

We can say the same thing about MORMONs...

[Elsie]

Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.^[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.^[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.^[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony^[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

[Steelfish]

Completely confusing posting misunderstanding the personal lives of the followers of Christ, popes, saints, sinners, and martyrs with the Catholic Faith and Credo. You should have gone a bit farther in history and posted a narrative of the stoning of St. Stephen with St. Paul watching on! But of course, the anti-Catholic falsely exaggerated stuff on an infantile anti-Catholic website is an attraction for some.

[CyberAnt]

Okay, so your solution is: Unless I get my teaching from the Catholic Church, then I’m bordering on heresy to even speak scriptures?

Then you also say that being a Protestant is “evil”?

The Pastors or teachers you listed in your screed, are not anyone I have ever followed or whose books I have read. But, you seem to be lumping me in with them. If my interpretation of a scripture is not what the Catholic Church says it is, then it’s wrong.

I find your analysis very narrow, close-minded, and determined to smear any Protestant by declaring only converting to the Catholic religion is an accurate interpretation of the scriptures.

Wow! I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone with such a warped sense of God’s teachings. Quite frankly, I feel very sorry for you .. I think you have missed out on the true joy of knowing Christ and learning the beauty of his Word.

[Steelfish]

Well, if you agree that Christ told Peter and his apostles to teach ONE truth and for this purpose He established ONE Church, and it was this ONE Church whose early Church Fathers (the early theologians) infallibly assembled the books in the New Testament after centuries of study and we have this expression of ONE truth in a Credo and Catechism, its hard to see how anything contradictory can be accommodated.

This is why Hillaire Belloc, the brilliant essayist in his book “Great Heresies” wrote that unlike other heresies, Protestantism “spawned a cluster of heresies.” It invites multiple and contradictory “truths.” This is an ineluctable and logical conclusion. Not something warped.

[verga]

A Pharisee would simply gloat over the loss of souls while feeling assured of heaven.

That is the perfect description of the vast majority of the anti-Catholics that haunt these FR threads.

[Elsie]

(just as Joel Osteen, Billy Graham, David Koresh, Jim Jones, Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar have done etc)

So...What 'prots' DO is very much more important than what Catholic leaders DO; eh?

I hear ya!!

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...the anti-Catholic falsely exaggerated stuff ...

[Elsie]

Well, if you agree that Christ told Peter and his apostles to teach ONE truth and for this purpose He established ONE Church, and it was this ONE Church whose early Church Fathers (the early theologians)

If you look into the LAST book of the Compiled group of them that your chosen religion assembled; you'll find that seven were mentioned.

EVERY one of them Catholic; EVERY one of them warned about FALSE TEACHING.

If you guys could NOT get it right then; why should ANYONE thing you've got it right NOW?

[Elsie]

That is the perfect description of the vast majority of the anti-Catholics that haunt these FR threads.

Oh; you're haunted all right!!

[verga]

Thank you for proving me correct and identifying yourself as a leading provocateur.

[Grateful2God]

>>Thank you for proving me correct and identifying yourself as a leading provocateur.<<

Exactly.

[Grateful2God]

On every thread... (((yawn)))

[verga]

On every thread... (((yawn)))

When you only got one note.....

[StormPrepper]

And at the end of days we will be the ONLY Church standing by Christ. One by one every prot denomination is proving that they are man made institutions.

You must have never studied the history of the Catholic church then.

[Elsie]

Just like the Whack-a-mole arcade game!

You guys keep peddling (that fecal word one should not use on FR’s religion forum) and I’ll be right behind; giving out free mouthwash.

[Elsie]

When you only got one note.....

Hail Mary; Mother of God...

Repeat as necessary.

[StormPrepper]

NO; Christ established ONE Church so that it has ONE teaching, and for all times. The canonical texts were adopted in AD 382 by the Synod of Rome...

Christ did establish ONE Church. But the people turned away from the Church during the time of the original Apostles. History shows this to be true.

There were no prophets on the earth in 382 AD. There was no communication from heaven. The Catholic church as created and lead by men alone.

Amos prophesied this would happen after the death of Jesus.
"Amos 8:
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it."

The words of God would NOT be found anywhere on the earth. People will search for it, but they won't find it anywhere.

Men compiled what they would accept as "scripture" in 382ad. But they had no communication with God directly. They had no idea if what they did was what God wanted or not. And that fallacy was perpetuated through the centuries.

Rev 11 also validates what I've said here. Two prophets coming in the last days. They have the same power Moses did. There is no provisions in the Catholic church for prophets. Rev 11 even says they speak to God face to face. God has never spoken to a Pope ever.

[Grateful2God]

Hail, Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee! Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the Fruit of your womb, Jesus!
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death, Amen.

And please, Jesus, forgive those who attack Your Holy Mother: forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do! +