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Liberals, Enough With Your Logan Act Histrionics
Townhall.com ^ | March 14, 2015 | Matt Vespa

Posted on 03/14/2015 6:07:20 PM PDT by Kaslin

In liberal land, Speaker of the House John Boehner is guilty of it. Sen. Tom Cotton and the 47 Senate Republicans signatories of his letter to the Islamic Republic of Iran outlining the constitutional dynamics of our government are surely guilty of it: violating the Logan Act.

So, what is the Logan Act? Besides a brief mention in the 2007 films "Charlie Wilson’s War" starring Tom Hanks, the law prohibits private citizens from engaging in unauthorized negotiations with foreign governments. The impetus for this law dates back to 1798. Dr. George Logan, a state legislator, traveled to France in order to secure an end to the Quasi-War, the undeclared, unofficial war between France and America. It was mostly relegated to sea warfare, but this conflict also gave birth to another set of horrific laws called the Alien and Sedition Acts. The latter would almost certainly be found unconstitutional today, but that’s for another time.

Here’s the text of the law:

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Right now, close to 300,000 people have signed a White House petition that supports prosecuting Sen. Cotton and the other signatories for violating the Logan Act over the Iran letter. It's "treason," say the creators of the petition.

So, did Sen. Cotton, Speaker Boehner, and Senate Republicans violate the Logan Act? No, says Charles Cooke at the National Review:

Indeed, one almost has to feel embarrassed by the scale of the petitioners’ credulity. For a start, the Logan Act almost certainly does not apply to open letters that are penned by representatives from the Senate — which body, we might remember, enjoys a constitutionally enumerated role within the nation’s foreign policy. And, even if it did apply, the inevitable legal challenges would swiftly prevail. In a widely cited analysis, American University’s Steve Vladeck has proposed both that the act is “unconstitutionally vague” and that it would be “unlikely to survive the far stricter standards contemporary courts place on such content-based restrictions on speech.” Brazile’s bluster to one side, it is no accident that, in its entire 216-year existence, the measure has never been used to convict anyone. It will not be used in 2015.

Over at the Huffington Post, Monica Bauer notes bluntly that she has not seen “a single Constitutional Law professor say this is a real thing,” and “for good reason.” That reason: It isn’t. Instead, Bauer suggests, the charge is being drummed up as “click bait for liberals” by the more irresponsible voices within “left-wing media” — that is, by cynics who have not set out to “educate or help,” but only “to raise money.” Bauer is correct, of course.

Law professor Eugene Volokh wrote in his blog–the Volokh Conspiracy–, which is featured in the Washington Post that the Logan Act is also constitutionally questionable. He admittedly said is not an expert with this law, so he asked three of his colleagues Professor Steve Vladeck of American University, Professor Michael Dorff of Cornell, and Professor Marty Lederman of Georgetown to offer their input.

Besides addressing the constitutional question and how members of Congress didn’t violate the Logan Act with the letter, Vladeck also brought up how the legal doctrine “desuetude," which probably kills any debate regarding the application of this law. In short, if a law isn’t successfully invoked in the courts after an extended period of time, it becomes virtually inapplicable [emphasis mine]:

[1.] [Under the Act,] the citizen must act “without authority of the United States.” Although most assume that means without authority of the Executive Branch, the Logan Act itself does not specify what this term means, and the State Department told Congress in 1975 that “Nothing in section 953 … would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.” … Combined with the rule of lenity and the constitutional concerns identified below, it seems likely that … courts would interpret this provision to not apply to such official communications from Congress.

[2.] It seems quite likely, as one district court suggested in passing in 1964, that the terms of the statute are both unconstitutionally vague and in any event unlikely to survive the far stricter standards contemporary courts place on such content-based restrictions on speech….

[3.] [T]he Logan Act has never been successfully used (indeed, the last indictment under the Act was in … 1803). Although most assume this is just a practical obstacle to a contemporary prosecution, it’s worth reminding folks about “desuetude” — the legal doctrine pursuant to which statutes (especially criminal ones) may lapse if they are never enforced (interested readers should check out a fantastic 2006 student note on the subject in the Harvard Law Review). If ever there was a case in which desuetude could be a successful defense to a federal criminal prosecution, I have to think that this would be it.

Professor Dorff touched upon the allegation that Rep. Nancy Pelosi violated the act when she visited Syria in 2007, while Professor Lederman offer his thoughts as well. But, all, directly or indirectly, noted that the law has fallen into the desuetude category. Pelosi will never be indicted even if she did violate the act in 2007; Dorff lays out her hypothetical defense as well. And the First Amendment concerns could be applied, wrote Lederman but are irrelevant because the law has never been really used; therefore, desuetude is referenced again.

So, liberals clamoring about the Logan Act, STOP! Just … just stop.

Point & laugh --> MT @donnabrazile: File charges against the Senators in violation of The Logan Act in attempting to undermine nuclear deal— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) March 12, 2015



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KEYWORDS: 0bamaadmin; iran; loganact; senaterepublicans; tomcotton
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To: Kaslin

This is Ferguson redux. The Soros liberals/progressives seize on an event that suits their agenda and coordinate broadcast saturation (”Hands up, don’t shoot.” / “I can’t breathe.”) of a false narrative, that they know to be false, before anyone can study the facts of the case. By the time their frenzied accusations are exposed as fraudulent and without merit, their false narrative has taken root and caused much damage and a number of tragedies.

However, one way to fight fire is with fire. Give them a dose of their own medicine. ProgLibs are good at guerilla theater in this war for the soul of America. Conservatives can be, too.


21 posted on 03/14/2015 8:26:29 PM PDT by concernedcitizen76 (Natural rights of life, liberty, and property are non-negotiable.)
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To: Kaslin; All

The behavior of all three actors in this matter are further evidence of the fraying of our Republic and its slide to civil war.

The fact that 48+/- Senate Republican’s felt it necessary to write this letter broadcasts that they have no trust in Obama and no faith in his Secretary of State.

It is also a coy message that if Obama wipes his butt with the Constitution in contempt of Congress, then they too can play that game. I wonder if this is the reason for “No-boner” Boehner’s invite to Netanyahu.

The further fact that 300k+ of our fellow citizens and dozens in national media petition that 1/2 of the sitting Senate be prosecuted for the highest crime in the country....treason...is shocking in its utter naivete at best, or complete contempt for consequence at worst.

What would happen if Obama did so? What would the Senators do? What would their states do? What would you do?

Chaos and contempt for protocol. Sides chosen. Protests. Riots. Blood spilled. Police choose sides. States and regions align. Military splits. Calls for volunteers. Provisional governments organized all claiming legitimacy.

War in our backyard.

The DC Republicans have proven they won’t fight to the death over taxes, debt, or illegals. Why?

They really want the same thing in these policies as the Democrats. More pork, screw the debt, and cheap labor for the new commercial slave empires is their aim. So the DC Repub elite may put on a show for the yocals back home. But they know who butters their bread and who they really serve.

HOWEVER. The DC Republicans just might fight over Iran and Israel.

The Sunni Arab lobby and their billions, and the Jewish lobby and their millions, let alone the fundamentalist populists all wanting one thing. Israel safe and Iran’s nuke and regional hegemon dreams not only stopped cold, but the a full regime change.

If Obama threatens that outcome with a peace deal that risks the Arab princelings and emirs power and the long term security of Israel, then the gloves may come off.

Billions in lobbyist money and tens of millions of fundamentalist Christians carrying torches and pitchforks crying for Obama’s hide make a pretty good coalition. Cloak yourself in the flag and the Bible and make a stand.

Well then, then they may well fight tooth and nail against a presidential usurper even if it means a REAL constitutional crisis or a civil war in out backyard.

But, that is just my opinion and what the heck do I know.


22 posted on 03/14/2015 9:13:47 PM PDT by Lowell1775
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I love how the Liberals all have their panties in a bunch over Sen. Cotton..

I hope he continues doing the same to them...they are all worried about the man...he scares them...GOOD


23 posted on 03/14/2015 10:06:12 PM PDT by haircutter
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