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To: Louis Foxwell

In my neck of the woods, if you work fast food..ie Burger King, Wendy’s etc. you get paid regular minimum wage because these places are not traditionally the kind of places where people tip.

If you work at a regular restaurant where people sit to eat, and a wait person takes orders, brings food/drinks etc (not the cafeteria type places), you only get paid $2.19/hr. That’s IT. If it’s Joe’s greasy spoon upchuck, Texas Road House or a place with a chef, the hourly start rate is the same. Naturally, your tips are commiserate with the kind of place you work at, as well as your expertise. Joe’s upchuck isn’t going to see the kind of tips that Texas Roadhouse sees.

I once worked waitressing at a resort type place which paid me full minimum wage AND tips. I worked nearly 40 hrs./week and I was able to make a living as in, I was able to pay all of my bills and purchase food and not have to depend on any sort of government assistance. That is until one evening when I began my shift and the lights went out. Electric company pulled the power plug. Day before pay day, none of us ever received our wages, but the owner showed up at my new job waving hundred dollar bills around by the hand full. I threw him out of my dining room, and his friends too.

I should have grabbed the money from his hand and put it in my pocket. He was actually propositioning me. But, he wasn’t hurting financially as my children and I went hungry and my credit was destroyed during the interval between jobs.

Some places do struggle, but the better places will pick up the difference as lousy places go broke. That’s competition and it’s healthy as it weeds out poorly managed places.

Restaurants tend to under pay hourly wages to wait persons while bus persons get paid min wage AND take home $20% of the wait person’s tips. Business have been depending on the public to pay the wages of their employees for far too long. As a wait person, YOU don’t even get a tax break for paying out that 20% as your cost of doing business!

You can’t depend on tips for a living in a lot of places, because they’re too variable. Gone are the days when a quarter was a sufficient tip for a cup of coffee and piece of pie. But people still want to tip like that even with the pitiful wages that wait person’s receive.

Then, there are the places where as a wait person you PAY to work there! Places like that do exist. I had a friend in Florida who was awaiting a placement in one such place. Yep, there’s a line!

As a unionised wait person, my wage was 10% higher than the standard min wage for wait persons. That’s IT. For that, I got to turn over 2 hours pay per month, and I got to pay for medical insurance. There went the 10% difference. Restaurant unions in the state I worked in weren’t very good.

Sunday afternoons were the absolute WORST day of the week to be on shift, no matter which state I worked in. Sorry folks, but the after church crowd is the most demanding, and chinchi (stingy) customers of all. They don’t order cheap, they run you around while their kids are throwing garbage everywhere, and IF you get even a portion of the standard tipping amount, you’re doing well. You can count on 1/4 or less of the standard amount. Once in a RARE while wait persons actually receive the full amount. Nobody wants to be scheduled for sunday afternoons :(

If you can’t afford to budget in the tip, don’t eat there. Go to a fast food place. Some place you CAN afford.


66 posted on 03/14/2015 7:53:38 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: PrairieLady2

I have an idea.

You are obviously a very intelligent person who knows a LOT about this subject.

Why don’t you find a nice building, borrow some money from the bank and start your own restaurant?

It’s pretty easy. All you have to do is pay all the inspection and registration fees, buy all the equipment and furnishings, make some arrangements with suppliers and hire some deserving employees just like you once were.

Once you are in business you can pay your employees a living wage, enough to pay all their bills and put food on the table.

All you have to do is generate enough business to cover all your monthly bills, service your debt and cover payroll.

And if it doesn’t work out and you go belly-up and spend the rest of your life buried in debt it will only be because you were to selfish to pay your employees a wage they could live on.


73 posted on 03/14/2015 8:03:34 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If obama speaks and there is no one there to hear it, is it still a lie?)
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To: PrairieLady2

I’m sorry for your experience but geesh, how many broad brushes can you paint with at one time?!


74 posted on 03/14/2015 8:03:57 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: PrairieLady2
If you can’t afford to budget in the tip, don’t eat there. Go to a fast food place. Some place you CAN afford.

Agreed. My situation a few years ago was not good. The company I worked for went under and I was out of work and literally starving for a few months. I finally managed to land a job working as a General Laborer in the Construction industry. I made minimum wage, worked extremely hard all day long with one hour off for lunch and came home at the end of the day so worn out that it was all I could do to heat a can of stew before dropping off to sleep, only to repeat everything the next day.

Now this state has raised the minimum wage to 10 dollars per hour for everyone, no exceptions, which is notably higher than I was paid working to exhaustion in a difficult and demanding work environment. But they think the wait staff should get this and tips besides? I do not seem to recall getting any "tips" other than advice for busting me keister not too long ago.

There is a Subway Sandwich place not too far away where I can watch them prepare whatever I select from the menu, and where there are no Jesse Jakson types to spit in your food if they don't like you. I go there if I feel like eating out.

Other than that, I'll make something at home rather than go to any restaurant that expects any "tips" at all, and of the people I know trying to keep their small businesses afloat, do NOT believe that being forced to pay that much of a minimum wage is worth it. They are forced to let people go or close their doors.

"Tips" are a ridiculous concept anyway. I challenge ANY restaurant worker to make a valid claim that I ever worked any less hard than them, without ever receiving a "tip". I will frequent restaurants again only when they eliminate the "tip" demands once and for all.

100 posted on 03/14/2015 8:47:27 AM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the muzlims trying to kill them)
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To: PrairieLady2
Then, there are the places where as a wait person you PAY to work there!

How exactly does that work? That doesn't seem to make sense—it sounds like one of those direct sales jobs with Amway, & al.

144 posted on 03/14/2015 3:28:23 PM PDT by __rvx86 (Rafael Cruz Jr: soon to be the first conservative, Latino President of the U.S. Si se puede!)
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To: PrairieLady2

Sounds like some of your critics have never worked in the biz. I was a cook, but I looked out for my waitrons. :-)


146 posted on 03/14/2015 7:02:59 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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