[leopardseal]

All available evidence indicates that MH17 was vectored into some sort of a killing bottle by Ukrainian air traffic controllers, i.e. forced to reroute several hundred miles North and drop four or five thousand feet of altitude, and then shot down with the 30mm gun in the nose of an SU-25, which is why the remains of the nose of the thing appears to be full of 30mm holes.

Families of Germans who were on the plane are suing the Ukrainian government and not Russia.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

All available evidence indicates that MH17 was vectored into some sort of a killing bottle by Ukrainian air traffic controllers

Such evidence was refuted a long time ago, and exists only within Russian media, which, when it isn't lying about Ukraine, has UFO guys and Alex Jones on the air accusing the United States of being behind Al-Qaeda and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. And I'm not being hyperbolic.

[cynwoody]

All available evidence indicates that MH17 was vectored into some sort of a killing bottle by Ukrainian air traffic controllers, i.e. forced to reroute several hundred miles North and drop four or five thousand feet of altitude, and then shot down with the 30mm gun in the nose of an SU-25, which is why the remains of the nose of the thing appears to be full of 30mm holes.

Guano.

The evidence is that it was shot down by a BUK, probably supplied by Russia, and probably fired by Ukrainian separatists, commanded by Igor Strelkov (pictured below), who thought they were shooting down a military transport belonging to Kiev.

If Ukrainian ATC was involved, we have yet to hear the evidence.

[1rudeboy]

Was that the SU-25 that is incapable of flying at the altitude MH17 was traveling?

[Uncle Miltie]

Is that you Vlad?

[BeadCounter]

“BERLIN - The relatives of three Germans killed in the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 are suing Ukraine’s government, a lawyer for the families said Monday. “Ukraine neglected its responsibility to guarantee the safety of the airspace over its territory, it would have been an easy measure,” lawyer Elmar Giemulla told NBC News. Nearly 300 people were killed when the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was shot down near the Ukraine-Russia border on July 17. “

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-plane-crash/german-victims-families-sue-ukraine-over-downing-mh17-n208601

This is the story of this lawsuit. Just posting for info. And whether this is a “killing bottle”.

[sipow]

There was a time when people in this country were not so willing to buy into russian propaganda. I miss that time.