To: Yosemitest
So you’re saying you’ll vote for guaranteed destruction (Democrats!) over trying to reform the Republican Party. You want to tear it down in order to make it better, right? What makes you think something better is going to come out of THAT? History proves you wrong, BTW. If our government collapses, we are far, far more likely to get something much worse, like a true dictatorship (arguments that Obama is a dictator notwithstanding).
18 posted on
02/25/2015 11:00:35 AM PST by
CitizenUSA
(Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
To: CitizenUSA
We already HAVE a DICTATOR!
IF an "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN" WINS the PRIMARY, then YES, I WILL VOTE AGAINT HIM !
PERIOD !
"ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" MUST BECOME UNELECTABLE !
20 posted on
02/25/2015 11:09:38 AM PST by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: CitizenUSA
![](http://0.tqn.com/d/usconservatives/1/G/w/0/-/-/JKerwick.jpg)
Have you not read (?)
The Tea Partier versus The Republican ?
Jack Kerwick wrote an article on May 24, 2011 and expressed some important issues that I agree with.
Thus far, the field of GOP presidential contenders, actual and potential, isnt looking too terribly promising.
This, though, isnt meant to suggest that any of the candidates, all things being equal, lack what it takes to insure
that Barack Obama never sees the light of a second term; nor is it the case that I find none of the candidates appealing.
Rather, I simply mean that at this juncture, the party faithful is far from unanimously energized over any of them.
It is true that it was the rapidity and aggressiveness with which President Obama proceeded to impose his perilous designs upon the country
that proved to be the final spark to ignite the Tea Party movement.
But the chain of events that lead to its emergence began long before Obama was elected.
That is, it was actually the disenchantment with the Republican Party under our compassionate conservative president, George W. Bush,
which overcame legions of conservatives that was the initial inspiration that gave rise to the Tea Party.
It is this frustration with the GOPs betrayal of the values that it affirms that accounts for why the overwhelming majority
of those who associate with or otherwise sympathize with the Tea Party movement
refuse to explicitly or formally identify with the Republican Party.
And it is this frustration that informs the Tea Partiers threat to create a third party
in the event that the GOP continues business as usual.
If and when those conservatives and libertarians who compose the bulk of the Tea Party, decided that the Republican establishment
has yet to learn the lessons of 06 and 08, choose to follow through with their promise,
they will invariably be met by Republicans with two distinct but interrelated objections.
First, they will be told that they are utopian, purists foolishly holding out for an ideal candidate.
Second, because virtually all members of the Tea Party would have otherwise voted Republican if not for this new third party, they will be castigated for essentially giving elections away to Democrats.
Both of these criticisms are, at best, misplaced; at worst, they are just disingenuous.
At any rate, they are easily answerable.
Lets begin with the argument against purism. To this line, two replies are in the coming.
No one, as far as I have ever been able to determine, refuses to vote for anyone who isnt an ideal candidate.
Ideal candidates, by definition, dont exist.
This, after all, is what makes them ideal.
This counter-objection alone suffices to expose the argument of the Anti-Purist as so much counterfeit.
But there is another consideration that militates decisively against it.
A Tea Partier who refrains from voting for a Republican candidate who shares few if any of his beliefs
can no more be accused of holding out for an ideal candidate
than can someone who refuses to marry a person with whom he has little to anything in common
be accused of holding out for an ideal spouse.
In other words, the object of the argument against purism is the most glaring of straw men:I will not vote for a thoroughly flawed candidate is one thing;
I will only vote for a perfect candidate is something else entirely.
As for the second objection against the Tea Partiers rejection of those Republican candidates who eschew his values and convictions,
it can be dispensed with just as effortlessly as the first.
Every election seasonand at no time more so than this past seasonRepublicans pledge to reform Washington, trim down the federal government, and so forth.
Once, however, they get elected and they conduct themselves with none of the confidence and enthusiasm with which they expressed themselves on the campaign trail,
those who placed them in office are treated to one lecture after the other on the need for compromise and patience.
Well, when the Tea Partiers impatience with establishment Republican candidates intimates a Democratic victory,
he can use this same line of reasoning against his Republican critics.
My dislike for the Democratic Party is second to none, he can insist.
But in order to advance in the long run my conservative or Constitutionalist values, it may be necessary to compromise some in the short term.
For example,
as Glenn Beck once correctly noted in an interview with Katie Couric,
had John McCain been elected in 2008, it is not at all improbable that, in the final analysis,
the country would have been worse off than it is under a President Obama.
McCain would have furthered the countrys leftward drift,
but because this movement would have been slower,
and because McCain is a Republican, it is not likely that the apparent awakening that occurred under Obama would have occurred under McCain.
It may be worth it, the Tea Partier can tell Republicans, for the GOP to lose some elections if it means that conservativesand the countrywill ultimately win.
If he didnt know it before, the Tea Partier now knows that accepting short-term loss in exchange for long-term gain is the essence of compromise, the essence of politics.
Ironically, he can thank the Republican for impressing this so indelibly upon him.
I WILL VOTE AGAINST ... AND
TO DESTROY ANY "Establishment Republican" ! Compromisers ALWAYS LOSE !
"Establishment Republicans" lose everytime they're listened to.
They wouldn't care if they DO lose.
If they can't be in power,
they don't want US in power. It's just that simple.
It's WAR!
We will never unify under
"Establishment Republicans" .
"Establishment Republicans" have more in common with the Democrats, than they do with Conservatives.
The weak candidates are
"Establishment Republicans", weak on national security, amnesty for illegals, abortion, and government spending.
"Establishment Republicans" scream "COMPROMISE".
And people who study the Bible know that
COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.
Someone once said [We're]
'Not victims of "the Establishment." ' I disagree.
I ask you again:
Who was it that dumped all those negative adds on Conservative Candidates in the primary?
Who was it that constantly battered each leading Conservative in the primary with an average of three to one negative ads against our real candidates?
Who's money was dumped against the conservative choices?
It WAS Mitt Romney, leader of the
"Establishment Republicans"and it WAS the
"Establishment Republicans" who funded all those negative ads against Conservatives.
And it is Mitch McConnell and BONEHEAD Bohner that is surrendering now.
So conservatives, the BASE of the Republican Party, WERE
' victims of "the Establishment." '
These
"Establishment Republicans" are being weeded out, one by one, and slowly but surely, the TEA Party is taking over.
"Establishment Republicans" Want to Redefine the Term "Conservative"
"DO CONSERVATIVES WANT TO WIN IN 2012 OR NOT?"
DO
CONSERVATIVES "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" WANT TO WIN IN 2016 OR NOT?
I'm fresh out of
"patience", and I'm not in the mood for
"compromise".
"COMPROMISE" to me is a dirty word.
Let the
RINO's compromise their values, with the conservatives, for a change.
Take a good long look at where
"Establishment Republicans" ALWAYS take us.
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/Gerald_Ford%2C_official_Presidential_photo.jpg/156px-Gerald_Ford%2C_official_Presidential_photo.jpg)
The "Establishment Republicans" can GO TO HELL !
22 posted on
02/25/2015 11:21:43 AM PST by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: CitizenUSA
Right now we are getting guaranteed destruction regardless of which party we vote for. You are just arguing for more of the same insanity we have heard for 30 yrs. The Republicans are crossing the Rubicon of party viability and they are too damned stupid to know what they are even doing.
33 posted on
02/25/2015 1:53:21 PM PST by
sarge83
To: CitizenUSA
I do not think we can reform the GOP with people like McConnell in the leadership. He has gone on record stating that he hates conservatives (tea party) and intends to destroy our ability to have any influence in the party. And to demonstrate just how far he is willing to go, look at what he did in Mississippi. If we want to reform the GOP, then we need to rid ourselves of the McConnells who will do all that they can to get rid themselves our influence and make us impotent — even if that means voting democrat to get them out. Personally, I would prefer to vote 3rd party, but I can understand the reasoning why a conservative Kentucky republican would elect to make a strategic vote for the democrat; without the McConnells we would have a smaller but more focused influential, and infinitely more powerful Republican majority or a minority as the case may be. Our party, indeed our country, would be better off without Mitch McConnell in office.
35 posted on
02/25/2015 2:14:44 PM PST by
erkelly
To: CitizenUSA
I do not think we can reform the GOP with people like McConnell in the leadership. He has gone on record stating that he hates conservatives (tea party) and intends to destroy our ability to have any influence in the party. And to demonstrate just how far he is willing to go, look at what he did in Mississippi. If we want to reform the GOP, then we need to rid ourselves of the McConnells who will do all that they can to get rid themselves our influence and make us impotent — even if that means voting democrat to get them out. Personally, I would prefer to vote 3rd party, but I can understand the reasoning why a conservative Kentucky republican would elect to make a strategic vote for the democrat; without the McConnells we would have a smaller but more focused influential, and infinitely more powerful Republican majority or a minority as the case may be. Our party, indeed our country, would be better off without Mitch McConnell in office.
36 posted on
02/25/2015 2:14:44 PM PST by
erkelly
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