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"For over 135 years, the Supreme Court of the United States has held that laws may prohibit religiously motivated action, as opposed to belief," he ruled.

That's to prohibit things like human sacrifice you moron.

1 posted on 02/23/2015 7:38:22 AM PST by wagglebee
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I don’t think the far left understands just how evil this is or how offensive this government demand is to decent people. No response to this judge’s actions would be excessive; this court order is an illegitimate use of government force to deny a woman her God-given rights.


32 posted on 02/23/2015 8:15:55 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Wait, what? So the judge means "You can believe anything you want, but Congress can force you to act like a heathen?" Really!?! That right there tells me this idiot has no place on the bench.


34 posted on 02/23/2015 8:22:10 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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And polygamy. Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145 (1878).

To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and, in effect, to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself. Government could exist only in name under such circumstances.
In a nutshell, the so-called "freedom of religion" is a phantom, it does not exist where government decides to impose a regulation.

Just like every other "freedom" and "right" in the constitution, each is only as meaningful as the public will put up with.

And the public will put up with all manner of government abuse - see Nazi Germany, all run under the law.

35 posted on 02/23/2015 8:24:34 AM PST by Cboldt
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Serious question; the way this was argued to me was that should the florist
prevail, would that in some way be considered discrimination and if so would it then allow other businesses to discriminate against against other couples they might not `believe` in, such as inter-racial couples? I admit I was unprepared to argue the point.


38 posted on 02/23/2015 8:30:47 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Nothing there about "belief", is there judge? "Free exercise" is.

40 posted on 02/23/2015 8:38:22 AM PST by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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The judge is most likely homosexual and has an agenda that is more important to him than the law.

However as the construction of the cake is a contract the lady should agree to make the cake, in exchange for the repayment of the national debt in cash.

It is foolish to assume that one of the parties in a contract is obligated to accept the contract unilaterally as dictated by another. The business owner has an equal right to not join in the contract. Ignoring the obvious to make a Constitutional ruling on homosexual marriage is illegal in any real court of justice.

This is WHY homosexuality was illegal, it is a mental illness that consumes the focus of the afflicted on reality.

Homosexuals are insane.

48 posted on 02/23/2015 9:06:44 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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The communists did the same type of action in Soviet Russia. “You are free to be a Christian, but if you are then clearly you are not a very smart person and should not be allowed to be succesful by owning a business, being a doctor, etc.”

We are on a dangerous path and one that is going to be rough to abandon....


60 posted on 02/23/2015 9:25:13 AM PST by CSM
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"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's".

If you are compelled to agree to bake that cake by big government liberals using the force of the state to compel obedience, then you agree to bake the cake (that agreement is one of the very small things in the realm of the things that are Caesar's). If you believe baking the cake and then decorating it in a manner that celebrates gay "marriage" is an offense against God, then you agree in a manner that will never end up with a cake (active participation in celebrating an offense agaisnt God is in the real of the things that are God's). Price the cake so high that the customer will go elsewhere - twenty times your usual rate, or more. Put a clause in the contract that there is no penalty for non-performance other than a refund of the price paid, and then cancel at the last minute and suggest a WalMart sheet cake as an emergency substitute.

I would not participate in celebrating a gay "marriage", and I would not blame someone who evaded the demand to endorse this mockery of marriage rather than face legal persecution. We are not dealing with decent people who deserve consideration. We are dealing with evil thugs who are comfortable using force to compel obedience. The only thing we owe them is what they can compel from us, and that isn't much once we recognize the scale of evil that we are facing.

Note: I am not calling the homosexual orientation itself evil - those possibly congenital desires have existed in a small minority throughout history. I'm referring to those who use force to compel others to violate deeply held religious beliefs. This judge and the plaintiffs are shockingly and disgustingly evil.

61 posted on 02/23/2015 9:28:45 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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“He said that “in trade and commerce, and more particularly when seeking to prevent discrimination in public accommodations,” legislatures are allowed “to prohibit conduct it deems discriminatory.”

Ahhh, “public accomodations” brought to you by the war on tobacco. To the FReepers that celebrated the smoking bans, well now you get to reap the just rewards won in your victories!


64 posted on 02/23/2015 10:26:10 AM PST by CSM
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This judge needs to be impeached but I doubt the Washington state AG will do anything.


70 posted on 02/23/2015 2:29:50 PM PST by Fledermaus (The GOP is dead to me! McConnell and Boehner can drop dead!!)
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Tar

Feathers

Rope

Is it time yet, Claire...?

71 posted on 02/23/2015 2:58:37 PM PST by Gritty (To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil. Liars are easy to control-Theodore Dalrymple)
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The whole purpose of a “Justice” System is to promote “public Virtue”-—(Montesquieu/Cicero/Founders). For Freedom can not exist with immoral people-—people who use other human beings as a “Means to an End”.

The most perfect ethical system, the one the USA used, is based on Natural Moral Law which includes God’s Laws (Christian Ethics) and it created the most perfect civilizations possible in the history of man. The most free and diverse, creative and powerful.

Individual Natural Rights from God is antithetical to all collectivist, socialist cultures. You can not deny one single person (even unborn) their Natural Rights from God——but the Cultural Marxists and Fabian Socialists devised “Progressivism” to destroy Virtue formation in the masses, to create a godless, collectivist, socialist culture, so individuals have no Individual Natural Rights-—only Rights and permission from the State (and their Masters)/elites/sodomites) for every aspect of life.

All promotion of Socialism is unconstitutional and Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. knew he was destroying our Constitution with unjust (unconstitutional always) law. Justice John Marshall—who is the father of jurisprudence, stated that there can be no rule or regulations which are antithetical to the Supreme Law of the Land. None. They are naturally “null and void” and shouldn’t be obeyed by anyone (as Nuremberg Trials reiterated).

Our evil Supreme Justices enshrine Stalin’s Constitution-—and kick out ours.....with Common Core and obamacare and sodomy “laws” LOL—the Marxist total control of all minds of our children with the promotion of lies and irrational vile behaviors, will develop evil irrational people.

Just Law can never promote Vice and evil or socialism which destroys Individual Natural Rights from God which are unalienable!!!!!

Great book for anyone to read on Socialism is written by a scientist from the Soviet Union with the foreward by A. Solzhenitsyn. Even a little bit of Socialism rots the Soul of people and he explains why Socialism is antithetical to individualism and freedom always (Our Constitution). It is “The Socialist Phenomenon” by Igor Shafarvich.


74 posted on 02/23/2015 5:28:26 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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