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New water heater rules coming; expect more expensive units, tighter fits
Omaha World Herald ^ | Feb. 22, 2015 | Cole Epley

Posted on 02/22/2015 8:59:13 AM PST by Mean Daddy

If it’s been a while since you took stock of the age and vitality of your water heater, now would be a good time to do so.

Mechanical rooms and homeowners’ appliance budgets are about to get more cramped after April 16, when the latest round of federal standards stipulating increased energy efficiency of residential water heaters takes effect.

The standards stem from a 1987 Department of Energy law called the National Appliance Energy Conservation Act.

Water heater manufacturers are responding with energy-saving additions like advanced electronics, more insulation and heat pumps, which means new units promise to get taller, wider and more complicated than their less-efficient predecessors.

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To: central_va
tankless = prohibitively expense.

Also means long wait for hot water and not very hot at that.

81 posted on 02/22/2015 10:59:37 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: ErnBatavia

(It ain’t a “hashtag”....it’s a damn pound sign. ###)

My thoughts exactly. OR a number sign. I never could figure out where the “hashtag” moniker came from...nor do I care! Sounds like something out of Hollywood.....


82 posted on 02/22/2015 11:01:07 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: sportutegrl

Dummy here....how did the water get hot without power?

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83 posted on 02/22/2015 11:01:53 AM PST by Mears (To learn, who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."~~Voltaire)
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To: reviled downesdad

That’s a better price than most... and people like it. Thanks for sharing.

http://www.amazon.com/Takagi-T-KJr2-IN-LP-Indoor-Tankless-Propane/dp/B0057X28EG


84 posted on 02/22/2015 11:02:07 AM PST by GOPJ (If you can't get on the high horse for men burned alive and children raped, what's the horse for?)
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To: Lion Den Dan

do you have a tankless?


85 posted on 02/22/2015 11:02:13 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: bgill

“”It was a tight squeeze getting the new one in so hope it lasts as long.””

Did you HAVE to buy one of the new ones with the new requirements? If they were available last year, what does the 4/15 date mean? That’s what I’m concerned about - the space we have one in now and placing a larger size in that space..


86 posted on 02/22/2015 11:04:29 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Mean Daddy

The heat exchangers in Tankless/on-demand water heaters freeze and break in cold climates. For any brainiacs claiming that some of them don’t, the challenge is -40, F, with 110 mph wind gusts.

Some homebuilt, drainback water and space heating systems are the best for northern climates with sunlight, but some of the main components in them are outlawed by the florida solar heating lab racket (constituents behind the politicians). Most inspectors in CO will reject them and any build that isn’t very common and familiar to them. Rocket stove mass heaters are outlawed by the expensive wood stove racket (constituents behind the politicians). The common closed loop systems preferred by installers (plumbers) are exceedingly expensive and ineffective (huge amounts of antifreeze needing periodic replacement, too little thermal mass, glass tubes in certified collectors often break at high elevations during rapid temp changes).


87 posted on 02/22/2015 11:05:43 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: HotHunt

Excellent!


88 posted on 02/22/2015 11:13:06 AM PST by null and void (People who deny history are trying to recreate it.)
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To: SteveAustin

Put a Bosh tankless in my house in Alaska ten years ago. Worked great. Could run everything in the house at the same time and everyone had hot water. The best part was when I was working and gone for two weeks no gas was used. Sold that house and retired to the South so I don’t know in the long run how it worked out.


89 posted on 02/22/2015 11:13:46 AM PST by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Thanks for the suggestion. I will have My Man look into it for me. He needs a new water heater too, and he LOVES quick fixes like this. :)


90 posted on 02/22/2015 11:15:13 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Thank You Rush

#octamethylcyclobutane


91 posted on 02/22/2015 11:17:21 AM PST by null and void (People who deny history are trying to recreate it.)
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To: Mean Daddy

Wood stove manufacturers did the same with wood stoves through the EPA. With Step 2 of the EPA rule coming in 5 years, the currently most expensive wood stoves, boilers (including outdoor boilers) and pellet stoves will be outlawed. New stoves then will require some extremely expensive and hot burning re-burners guaranteed to run through firewood, re-burners and exhausts unprecedentedly fast. It’s all an extension of the shutdown of the manufacturing base, broken glass economics and ultimately self-consuming new fascism.


92 posted on 02/22/2015 11:17:45 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You have ‘A Man’!

Good for you.


93 posted on 02/22/2015 11:25:00 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: central_va
Bill was $3K vs $1.8K for 50 gallon or $2.3K for 75 gallon. Now I got the biggest consumer available because of the size of house. I see others posting $2K which would be a smaller unit.

I really need a 75 gallon unit which are NOT energy efficient. Also, you should never have to replace a tankless. I agree with others that you have to flush either system on an annual basis.

94 posted on 02/22/2015 11:26:17 AM PST by 11th Commandment ("THOSE WHO TIRE LOSE")
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To: Mean Daddy

Our water is so hard that ours last maybe 4 years. Average hardness is over 80. They might last longer if the sediment drain actually was low enough to get it out.


95 posted on 02/22/2015 11:26:45 AM PST by Clay Moore (The future SHOULD belong to those who slander Muhammed.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

We just got engaged on Valentine’s Day, the poor sap!

It’s going to be a LONG engagement. After serving 20 years in a ‘craptacular’ marriage, I’m in NO rush! :)

Diana announces her engagement on a thread about water heaters. Seems appropriate, LOL!


96 posted on 02/22/2015 11:29:26 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

WOW!

I wish you both the very best.


97 posted on 02/22/2015 11:37:34 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Thanks! So far so good...four years in! :)


98 posted on 02/22/2015 11:39:41 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: 9422WMR; SteveAustin

Ours has been flawless for 4 years. Never run out of hot water

Our LPG unit is going on its 17th year. Been a great investment. All I have to do is clean the little pilot filter occasionally.

We use the freed space in the water heater cabinet for stored drinking water.

99 posted on 02/22/2015 11:44:49 AM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Mean Daddy

I don’t like having reply #100.


100 posted on 02/22/2015 11:48:02 AM PST by SamAdams76
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