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Tri-City Florist declines Settlement Offer [Arlene's Flowers]
KNDU Right Now ^ | Feb. 20, 2015

Posted on 02/20/2015 2:12:22 PM PST by steve86

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) - A Tri-Cities florist has declined state Attorney General Bob Ferguson's offer to settle a discrimination case involving flowers for a gay wedding.

Barronelle Stutzman on Friday sent a letter to Ferguson rejecting his offer to settle the case by paying a $2,000 fine and agreeing to sell flowers to people planning gay weddings.

Stutzman says in a press release that she continues to believe that marriage should be between one man and one woman.

The 70-year-old Stutzman has earlier said she plans to appeal a judge's ruling that she broke a Washington state anti-discrimination law by refusing to provide flowers for a gay wedding.

Benton County Superior Court Judge Alex Ekstrom on Wednesday rejected arguments that Stutzman's actions were protected by her freedoms of speech and religion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: homofascism; homosexualagenda
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To: steve86

Hang in there Arlene.


41 posted on 02/20/2015 3:25:19 PM PST by Spunky
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To: Spunky

Good deal! Thanks for the “How to help Arlene” info.


42 posted on 02/20/2015 3:28:50 PM PST by Jane Long ("And when thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek")
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To: Steve_Seattle; mrsmel; steve86
Same-Sex Couple Blames Discrimination After Pediatrician Allegedly Refuses to See Their Newborn"
43 posted on 02/20/2015 3:35:47 PM PST by Spunky
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To: TBP

And protected by the 1st amendment’s freedom of assembly.


44 posted on 02/20/2015 3:42:26 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: steve86
She's going to lose. The Civil Rights act ended the ability for businesses to exclude people on the basis of race (and a few other categories). That has now been extended to homosexuals. A flower store is a "public accomodation", just like a lunch counter.

Her only hope is that somewhere along the way Washington has not updated the code. I kind of doubt that.

The Civil Rights Acts of 1964 meant some rights were lessened and others strengthened. The right of free association lost out, and has never recovered.

I do wonder how "Curves" gym gets away with it. Of course not all animals are equal in Obama's Animal Farm USA, so the question sort of answers itself.

45 posted on 02/20/2015 3:44:05 PM PST by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: steve86

Benton County Superior Court Judge Alex Ekstrom is a primary target to face charges of treason.


46 posted on 02/20/2015 3:59:33 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Jim Robinson

Here’s a description of the Nazi judges at Nuremberg:

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/alstoetter.htm

A few key points:

“In the Justice trial, American prosecutors sought to demonstrate a pattern of judicial and prosecutorial support for Nazi programs of persecution, sterilization, extermination, and other gross violations of human rights.”

“They came to see themselves as fighters on the internal battlefront, with the responsibility to punish “the enemy within.”

“We pass now from the forgoing incomplete summary of Nazi legislation to a consideration of the law in action, and of the influence of the “Fuehrer principle” as it affected the officials of the Ministry of Justice, prosecutor, and judges. Two basic principles controlled conduct within the Ministry of Justice. The first concerned the absolute power of Hitler in person or by delegated authority to enact, enforce, and adjudicate law. The second concerned the incontestability of such law. “


47 posted on 02/20/2015 4:09:20 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Spunky
I now see more clearly what happened in the case of the Michigan doctor. First of all, care was not denied to the infant, nor was it even delayed. The patient was referred to a doctor in the same clinic, who saw the patient on the same day.

Secondly, the doctor's concern was with her ongoing relationship with the lesbian parents, and had nothing to do with the child. The doctor/parent/patient relationship is very important and fragile, and it is important that doctor and client share the same values and the same worldview. The doctor saw that this was not the case, so referred the family to another doctor more sympathetic to their values. This is NORMAL - doctors and patients, lawyers and clients, make these kinds of decisions every day.
48 posted on 02/20/2015 4:41:16 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: sergeantdave
"Benton County Superior Court Judge Alex Ekstrom is a primary target to face charges of treason."

Don't use the word "target," or you're likely to have a SWAT team at your house.
49 posted on 02/20/2015 4:42:55 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: steve86

Whatever happened to businesses, “We reserve the right to serve...”?


50 posted on 02/20/2015 4:53:27 PM PST by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: steve86

A very inspiring story — thanks for the link.

Waiting for the State Attorney General to start suing halal butchers and kosher delis for not serving pork, ham and bacon.


51 posted on 02/20/2015 5:21:58 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Why would you want to "fundamentally change" a country you love?)
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To: Steve_Seattle

I saw the story. A lesbian couple adopted or produced a child. They wanted this pediatrician to do the six-week well-child exam and become the child’s doctor, but the pediatrician wrote to them saying she believed another doctor who was more supportive of their family arrangement would be better for them. The child was not sick; it was not an emergency, and the laws in the doctor’s state permit a doctor to refuse a service relationship with a potential patient. The doctor did nothing wrong, except in the eyes of the PC screechers. So of course, the lesbians posted it on FaceBook to throw the hate mail floodgates open.


52 posted on 02/20/2015 5:44:40 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Why would you want to "fundamentally change" a country you love?)
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To: Steve_Seattle

“Don’t use the word “target,” or you’re likely to have a SWAT team at your house.”

That may be true, but my sheriff has a bigger SWAT team. He can roll out a battalion of armed men (2,000 is a battalion) into a confrontation against little, castrated federal weenies,


53 posted on 02/20/2015 5:46:19 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: OneHun

Can we order an arrangement and send it to the prosecutor? Something along the lines of a Judas tree?


54 posted on 02/20/2015 5:52:42 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: NTHockey
I was thinking more on the lines of a freshly cut horse head...


55 posted on 02/20/2015 5:55:22 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Steve_Seattle
I do not think that most Christian doctors would consider it wrong to provide medical service to gays

Why would a married doctor with young children at home want to take on patients who willingly deal in fecal play and immune system disorders and who are in denial about the real state of their health? Why would he or she want to take those disease exposures home to his or her own family? Why would the doctor want crossdressers and body mutilators in the waiting room with the natural mommies, infants and children?

If you have ever seen someone who is dying of AIDs and covered with opportunistic infections because of a destroyed immune system, you might understand why a doctor might refuse. You can tell people that anal sex rips and tears membranes that were not designed to be used that way, and you can tell people that oral sex and oral-anal contact is inherently risky, but it is another matter to deal with advanced stages of the diseases and ailments that come from a fetishistic application of sex toys and maladaptive sexual behaviors that are essentially voluntary.

Does a doctor have the option to stop treating an unregenerate alcohol or drug abuser who refuses rehab? Same thing.

56 posted on 02/20/2015 5:58:41 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Why would you want to "fundamentally change" a country you love?)
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To: Jack Black
he's going to lose. The Civil Rights act ended the ability for businesses to exclude people on the basis of race (and a few other categories). That has now been extended to homosexuals. A flower store is a "public accomodation", just like a lunch counter.

Unless the state is equally willing to force mosques to hire Christian imams, or force kosher butchers to sell pork, you're just spouting the party line.

There is no basis in Christianity for racism, or for refusing to feed someone of a different race. There is every basis in Christianity for refusing to participate in a "gay wedding."

57 posted on 02/20/2015 6:03:41 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Why would you want to "fundamentally change" a country you love?)
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To: Albion Wilde

I agree with your analysis. The story is being spun in the media to give an entirely different impression, i.e., that the child’s health was somehow threatened,or treatment was delayed (both false), and that it is not NORMAL for both doctors and patients to seek out client relationships in which they are both on the same page about basic health issues, basic medical morality, and general philosophy of care, and even basic world view.


58 posted on 02/20/2015 6:14:18 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Jack Black

I do wonder how “Curves” gym gets away with it.

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It’s probably owned by a homo. No problem.


59 posted on 02/20/2015 6:25:11 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Albion Wilde
One more thing - the way this story (the Michigan doctor) was originally presented in the media sent me off on the wrong track.

I had forgotten that choosing a doctor is a very sensitive matter, and that when I chose a doctor I did not want someone of a totally secular, non-spiritual perspective.

And I assume it is the same with doctors, i.e., they prefer patients who will not argue with them, who accept the same basic philosophy regarding health care issues, and who - to a large degree - share their worldview.

So this doctor in Michigan was just doing the lesbian couple a favor, steering them to a doctor whose beliefs were more congruent with their own. And the welfare of the child was IN NO WAY threatened.

I first found out about this because a very liberal woman who is a casual friend of my girlfriend sent her an outrage-filled email, with a link to the story, regarding this matter.

The irony is that this woman is very emotional and opinionated and is EXACTLY the kind of person who would be very fussy about choosing a doctor and very quick to "fire" one who did not share her views.
60 posted on 02/20/2015 6:26:03 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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