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Social Security debate reignites
The Hill ^ | February 14, 2014 | Rebecca Shabad

Posted on 02/14/2015 3:57:10 PM PST by jazusamo

Social Security is surging to the forefront of the political debate ahead of the race for the White House in 2016.

The entitlement program has been thrust into the spotlight by a fight over the Social Security disability fund, which is expected to run dry by the end of next year.

The looming shortfall is stirring a burst of activism on the left, with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a likely 2016 candidate, and liberal hero Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) warning of an assault on the program from Republicans in Congress.

"We’ve known for years that Social Security Disability Insurance is set to run low in 2016, and most people assumed that another bipartisan reallocation was coming," Warren wrote Wednesday in an email to supporters. "But now, thanks to the Republican ideological war on our most important national safety net, disabled Americans could suddenly face a 20 percent cut in their Social Security checks next year."

Republicans have pushed back hard, and say they are the ones seeking to fix a broken program.

“The fact of the matter is, the Social Security Disability Insurance Trust Fund is going broke, going broke next year. Not in 2024, not in 2080, next year, 2016,” Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), the House budget chairman, told The Hill in an interview last month.

The battle over the disability fund is fueling a broader debate over Social Security and what should be done to prevent it from someday going insolvent.

Republicans are expected to put forward their own plans for reforming Social Security next month, when they introduce a new budget blueprint that they have promised will balance the books in 10 years.

But the extent to which Republicans will suggest changes to the retirement program — long known in Washington as the “third rail” of politics — as they seek to win back the White House and hold their congressional majorities remains unclear.

Democrats are eager for a confrontation over the program, having blasted House Republicans earlier this year for passing a rule that established a procedural hurdle that makes it more difficult to replenish the disability fund through a reallocation of the payroll tax.

Sanders, with his eye on a run for the White House, has seized on the issue to make the case for extending Social Security by raising taxes on the wealthy.

“If Republicans are serious about extending the solvency of Social Security beyond 2033, I hope they will join me in scrapping the cap that allows multi-millionaires to pay a much smaller percentage of their income into Social Security than the middle class,” Sanders said.

More than 59 million retired workers and nearly 9 million disabled people receive benefits from Social Security each month. The benefits are paid for by the payroll tax that employees and employers have to pay each month. The amount of earnings that are subject to the payroll tax is capped at $118,500.

Income above $118,500 is not subject to the payroll tax, which Sanders said is “patently unfair.”

“If we apply the Social Security payroll tax to income above $250,000, we could immediately bring in enough revenue to the Social Security trust fund to extend it for decades and also be able to increase benefits,” he said.

If Congress fails to act, payments from the disability fund would be cut by 20 percent in January 2017.

The retirement fund, meanwhile, is projected to run out of its reserves in 2033, forcing benefits to be reduced over time. In December, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that if Congress shifted resources from the retirement fund to the disability fund, both funds would be exhausted in 2030.

While those projections sound dire, Social Security could still pay around three-quarters of benefits for several more decades if it became insolvent.

The National Academy of Social Insurance (NASI), however, has found that most Americans don’t want to see any cuts to their benefits and are willing to pay more taxes in order to preserve the program.

In one of its surveys, 83 percent agreed with a proposal like Sanders’ that would raise Social Security taxes on top earners. That included 71 percent of Republicans, 92 percent of Democrats and 84 percent of independents.

Both parties have treaded carefully around the issue of Social Security in recent years, mindful of the backlash that President George W. Bush suffered in the mid-2000s when he pushed a plan to partially privatize the program.

President Obama took a political hit a few years ago when he proposed a switch to what is known as chained consumer price index (CPI) for Social Security, a formula that would likely result in cuts to benefits over time.

The White House scrapped the idea in its next budgets after Democrats skewered the plan.

Obama’s latest budget blueprint, meanwhile, asks Congress to reallocate the payroll tax to the disability fund, a proposal Republicans describe as “robbing Peter to pay Paul.”

At a hearing last week, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) said she wants to see a “concrete proposal” from the White House that offers a long-term plan for Social Security.


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KEYWORDS: disability; sanders; socialism; socialsecurity
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To: napscoordinator
The neighborhood sex offender (violent pedophile) is on SSDI. He drove a truck, had an accident and got "brain damage". So he can't drive anymore and had to go on disability and complained about it taking too long. Now he drives around and tries to scam people. E.g. offered to sell his house with no intention of selling it. Probably looking for earnest money (didn't get far with me).

In cases like that the problem is not uniquely an SSDI fraud problem. The problem is nobody has shot him dead.

21 posted on 02/14/2015 4:47:45 PM PST by palmer (Free is when you don't have to pay for nothing. Or do nothing. We want Obamanet.)
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To: Graybeard58

So true. Him being elected on his first attempt I can understand, him winning his reelection was pathetic because he’d already shown his Marxist/anti-American agenda.

Bernie has admitted he’s a socialist, of course that won’t prevent the LIVs from voting for the commie.


22 posted on 02/14/2015 4:49:23 PM PST by jazusamo (0bama to go 'full-Mussolini' after elections: Mark Levin....and the turkey has.)
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To: jazusamo
I have been paying into social security my whole life. I am entitled to the full benefit upon retirement regardless of how much I make from other sources like a pension. Anything less is theft from me.

It is my understanding that they can take up to 85 percent of the money due to you if you make over a certain amount. That's theft if that is true.

23 posted on 02/14/2015 4:49:44 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: jazusamo
You’re right, disability SS has become a joke and action has got to be taken to limit it to the truly disabled

My ex son-in-law went on SSDI at age 27 with a "bad back", he's 45 now and still sucking it in, all the while still working and getting paid "under the table".

Yes, I reported him, years ago to both the IRS and S.S. The IRS because he doesn't pay taxes on his "under the table" income. I gave details too, where he worked, his hours etc.......................... Nothing happened.

I'd bet that most people on this forum knows somebody like him.

24 posted on 02/14/2015 4:50:34 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.)
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To: napscoordinator

Real disabled cannot walk to the office. That is pretty severe. But....a real check of who really is disabled and those who are faking it can easily be detected by looking at medical history.
People get fibromyalgia, I have it, that did not stop me from being able to work.

I remember a Judge Judy show where some guy was getting disabilty for a supposed bad back. Funny thing was he was being sued for child support because as bad as his back was supposed to be, it didn’t stop him from making 5 babies by 5 different women.

Judge Judy went after him on that and told him if he was in that good of shape that he could go to work.


25 posted on 02/14/2015 4:52:19 PM PST by dforest
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To: ColdSteelTalon

It is true and and at this point there is nothing you can do about it.


26 posted on 02/14/2015 4:54:07 PM PST by dforest
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To: Raycpa

“So why didn’t the demoncrats fix this during the last 6 years?”

First you have to define the word “fix.” Based on what we are reading here, I’d say that they “fixed it real good” from their perspective.


27 posted on 02/14/2015 4:54:17 PM PST by vette6387
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To: jazusamo

Social Security Disability Fund Going Broke?

Maybe because Obama has treated the Social Security Disability program as just another back door way to loot the treasury and redistribute wealth.

He has loaded it up with people whose only claim to disability is that they drink, smoke dope, overeat, can’t pay attention, or are too chunky or too lazy to get up and go to work.


28 posted on 02/14/2015 4:56:40 PM PST by Iron Munro (Mark Steyn: “fundamentally transformed” is a euphemism for “wrecked beyond repair.”)
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To: napscoordinator
Did you read my reply about requiring anyone on disability to have to go into the office to pick up a check

So I have to hire an ambulance to come pick up my wife and take her to the SS office?

For a check they automatically deposit into our bank?
29 posted on 02/14/2015 5:08:21 PM PST by jy8z (When push comes disguised as nudge, I do not budge.)
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To: clearcarbon

SSI is part of the SS Disability expenditures. Check out this youtube video to see what is being done to collect at about $800 a month per kid till the kid is age 18.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII


30 posted on 02/14/2015 5:30:32 PM PST by LaMudBug
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To: napscoordinator
I'm on SS disability plus I collect a small amount from a disability policy my last employer had. The insurance company checks up on me regularly. I used to have this multi-page report to fill out partially. Then the report would go to my doctors for their input. Now a company representative just talks to me by phone. The company will, if warranted, send me to a doctor it chooses if it looks like I might not be as disabled as I claim.

I can't understand why SS doesn't do the same thing. When I signed up, I was told I may be sent to a doctor periodically. It's been 7 years. Still haven't seen a doctor and no one has contacted me to see if I'm still disabled.

If SS really cared about fraud, it wound do a better job of checking up on its beneficiaries But in this administration, fraud is actively encouraged

31 posted on 02/14/2015 5:56:43 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: napscoordinator

Well, if you were truly sick - bed ridden - how would you go to pick up your check?


32 posted on 02/14/2015 6:12:04 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: dforest

Oh there is, the question is am I ready to do it?


33 posted on 02/14/2015 6:20:15 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: jazusamo

“The entitlement program has been thrust into the spotlight by a fight over the Social Security disability fund, which is expected to run dry by the end of next year. “

Yeah, it’s going broke because all the moochers who got kicked off the welfare rolls scammed their way into getting SSDI payments for fake “disabilities”.

Require an independent medical diagnosis to get on the program, and we could probably make it solvent again pretty quickly.


34 posted on 02/14/2015 7:04:28 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: jazusamo

In addition to the normal amount of fraud on this program the numbers have skyrocketed since 2008. People got laid off and determined that they deserved income since they had paid into the fund. Doctors and lawyers, in great numbers, prostituted themselves to collude with the fakers to loot the fund.


35 posted on 02/14/2015 7:19:42 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Benghazi Clinton killed 4 & injured a dozen as SOS, imagine what she could do as CinC.)
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To: jazusamo

Sosha Security Disabihili

36 posted on 02/15/2015 5:09:22 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: I cannot think of a name
The ‘bent one’ and the hildabeast take great pride in mentioning how the bent one “ended” welfare during his term. What he actually did was spread it out over eighty (80) different Federal agencies and call it different names. When you put them all back together, welfare is of course larger than either social security and the military combined, or medicaid and the military combined. And comes pretty close to the total of all three. But not even the Republicans seem to want to talk about that. In the various programs that were raped as part of this charade, none took it in the shorts as bad as the Social Security disability fund. Change the disability rules BACK to what they were in 1991 and the problem will virtually disappear. But don't hold your breath for that to happen.

Listening to various talkers this week including Beck, the subject matter came up about these types of payments ( on Beck in terms of a flat payment to everybody that is being discussed by "leading edge thinkers" ) the name Milton Friedman came up.

I didn't know it, but he was in favor of eliminating all these programs and giving you the cash total, but you had to apply and it was a yes or no whether you met the criteria or not. I can't imagine the criteria today would be Friedman or Reaganesque in it's liberty based philosophy. My G-d it gets worse every day don't it, everything they touch gets more fubar'd and sanfu'd as they go with no reset in site...

37 posted on 02/15/2015 5:16:01 AM PST by taildragger (It's Cruz, Pence or Walker, anything else is a Yugo with Racing Stripes....)
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To: taildragger

I’m afraid 2016 is our last chance to avoid a second American Civil War. If the Hildabeast or someone of her ilk is elected, it will be full speed ahead on waste like this until the money, and the ability to borrow money, totally runs out. Once that happens, the war will start.

And without an major alteration in course, I doubt that point is very many years away.


38 posted on 02/15/2015 10:05:36 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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