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Germany marks 70th anniversary of Dresden firebombing
BBC ^ | 02/13/2015

Posted on 02/14/2015 1:43:44 PM PST by Kid Shelleen

An estimated 25,000 people died in the British and American attack, which created a firestorm that left 33 sq km (12 sq miles) of the city in ruins.

Speaking at the city's Church of Our Lady, German President Joachim Gauck said the attack had "burned itself into the memory" of survivors.

The city was believed by Allied forces to be a vital Nazi command centre.

It was used by German forces to defend the country against Soviet forces approaching from the east.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


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To: Romulus

That’s what liberal idiots say.


21 posted on 02/14/2015 2:15:39 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

"Ich frage euch: Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?"

They said, "Ja!" and they got it!

22 posted on 02/14/2015 2:16:07 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: hosepipe

Light a candle for the bomber crews that were lost..
maybe two or three..

Those brave crews need to remembered, along with the other upcoming anniversary..9 March, 1945..firebombing of Tokyo, 80-100,00 Jap casualties..worst casualties in a single raid in history..all I care to remember are the gallant bomber crews.


23 posted on 02/14/2015 2:21:13 PM PST by AFret.
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To: Kid Shelleen

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.


24 posted on 02/14/2015 2:21:40 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Rinnwald
I was always curious if anyone had seriously wargamed a Soviet turn against its allies. I don’t know how much of a clue Stalin had about the A-bombs, and how much fight was left in the war machine after 20 million dead and the emotional climax of fighting from near Moscow to Berlin. The Soviets were fighting on very long supply routes at that point. I know there was some whisper of worry in the west, and some firebrands like Patton wanting to take the war east, but that’s about it.

I know its been discussed a lot. A lot of WWII games have a scenario with the Allies facing the Russians.

At this point in history Stalin did know about the A-bomb through his spy ring within the US. But he probably wasn't as certain of its capabilities much as we weren't.

Another thing to consider is that our industrial production was much greater than the Soviets. We had actually begun to ramp down some of our production as it became apparent we were going to win. The Russians maintained theirs.

Logistically, the Russians could fight on supply lines that would somewhat hinder American forces. Our supply train was lavish compared to the Germans or the Russians. Once we cut off lend-lease to them that would have hurt them from a food and transport perspective. We supplied a ton of food to them along with several hundred thousand trucks. Stopping those two items alone would have hurt them. But an army run by a dictator will keep on fighting. They can't "vote" not to fight.

It would have been a bloody struggle, but the US and the Allies prevail.

25 posted on 02/14/2015 2:22:28 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Kid Shelleen
London


26 posted on 02/14/2015 2:24:35 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: cripplecreek

Warsaw - 1945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx3aGiurRbQ


27 posted on 02/14/2015 2:25:30 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: smokingfrog

Some 46,000 british civilians killed and another 140,000 wounded in the blitz.


28 posted on 02/14/2015 2:27:38 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Kid Shelleen
An estimated 25,000 people died

That's below even the usual low end of the range. Brits must still be uncomfortable with their war crimes.

29 posted on 02/14/2015 2:28:26 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Romulus

I have a rope in my garage that is over one mile long.
Those who think it was a war crime can come and Pi-—up that said rope!
While here we can talk about a few other things! I am in present contact with ex-servicemen from both sides and both theaters and they won’t be here much more.
Look up Malmedy, Belgium, for starters


30 posted on 02/14/2015 2:29:35 PM PST by GOYAKLA (Those who want CO2 eliminated are really trying to suffocate trees!)
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To: Kid Shelleen
England lost more people in the city of London to the blitz than America lost in 15 years fighting in Vietnam.

War is harsh, but the folks who start it can't really complain when what goes around comes around.

31 posted on 02/14/2015 2:30:08 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The dog days are over /The dog days are done/Can you hear the horses? /'Cause here they come)
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To: GOYAKLA

Down this road, on a summer day in 1944. . . The soldiers came. Nobody lives here now. They stayed only a few hours. When they had gone, the community which had lived for a thousand years. . . was dead. This is Oradour-sur-Glane, in France. The day the soldiers came, the people were gathered together. The men were taken to garages and barns, the women and children were led down this road . . . and they were driven. . . into this church. Here, they heard the firing as their men were shot. Then. . . they were killed too. A few weeks later, many of those who had done the killing were themselves dead, in battle. They never rebuilt Oradour. Its ruins are a memorial. Its martyrdom stands for thousands upon thousands of other martyrdoms in Poland, in Russia, in Burma, in China, in a World at War...
At the village of Oradour-sur-Glane, the day the soldiers came, they killed more than six hundred men, women . . . and children.
Remember

-Sir Laurence Olivier, The World at War


32 posted on 02/14/2015 2:31:24 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: CodeToad
Where are the courts, lawyers, and judges?

I guess they don't teach you youngsters about Nuremberg or Tokyo in school these days.

33 posted on 02/14/2015 2:31:28 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Arm_Bears

“Not a single mention of Hitler in the article.”

President Gauck to his credit placed the blame on Germany:

“We know who started the murderous war... we know. And that is why we don’t and we will never forget the victims of German warfare,” he said.

While the Archbishop seemed to imply it was the fault of the US and the British:

“Whatever the arguments, events here 70 years ago left a deep wound and diminished all our humanity,” he said.


34 posted on 02/14/2015 2:35:23 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: Romulus

War is hell. We can point to almost any action in war,and say that it went beyond civilized norms, Geneva convention agreements, etc. The reason I say that is because the point of armed conflict is to kill the enemy.

I have little sympathy for either Germany or Japan due to their agressions which started World War II. Death of innocent civilians is regrettable but collateral damage happens in all wars.


35 posted on 02/14/2015 2:35:52 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: GOYAKLA
Look up Malmedy, Belgium, for starters.

One story I heard from a survivor who watched from hiding. He said a medic POW who survived the initial German gunfire began helping another wounded POW as best he could as a German gaurd stood a little way off watching. The medic finshed bandaging the wounded POW and the German shot both the medic and the wounded POW in the head.

I have no issues with Germans of today but I'll be damned if I will feel sorry for what they allowed to happen and its result.
36 posted on 02/14/2015 2:38:46 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Kid Shelleen

Liberal comedian fake news reporter Jon Stewart said that we should have dropped an atomic bomb offshore from Japan, to prove the power of the atomic bomb. And then, tell the Japanese that if they didn’t surrender that the next bomb would be dropped on them.

How many of you think the Japanese would have surrendered if they had witnessed a test of the atomic bomb like that?


37 posted on 02/14/2015 2:39:08 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: dfwgator

Thanks for that. Marking....


38 posted on 02/14/2015 2:40:23 PM PST by Rummyfan (Let us now try liberty)
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To: dfwgator

Possibly the greatest doc ever made. I own it and watch it occasionally to remind me of the world on fire.


39 posted on 02/14/2015 2:41:31 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Kid Shelleen

I was taught it was retaliation for Germany firebombing Coventry, Britain’s most perfectly preserved medieval city.


40 posted on 02/14/2015 2:42:29 PM PST by Oratam
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