Posted on 02/07/2015 6:36:42 AM PST by xzins
When my husband and I move to a new area, we specifically look for a home with a wood burning stove. It’s cheaper and if the power grid goes down, we have a way to survive it. Yep, we’re preppers. These regulations are meant to do away with wood stoves and force people to get their heat from gas or electric, paid for at exorbitant rates from utility providers. In some areas, even with gas or electric, the only way to truly keep a home warm is with a wood or pellet stove. This is more of the EPA’s fascist heavy handedness, trying to control all we do and force us into behavior and routines like you would livestock. The EPA can pound sand as far as I’m concerned.
From the Daily Caller:
The EPA has finalized a 344-page rule to make wood stoves more environmentally friendly, meaning that millions of Americans will soon be forced to buy more expensive wood-fired stoves.
Republican lawmakers have opposed the rule, saying it would harm millions in rural America that rely on wood stoves to heat their homes every winter. With natural gas and electricity prices on the rise, wood stoves can be an economical choice for many living in the countryside.
“The EPA’s shortsighted regulatory overreach is once again hitting hardworking Montanans in their pocketbooks,” said Montana Republican Sen. Steve Daines.
Some 2.4 million American households rely on wood stoves for heat. When the agency proposed the rule last year, critics argued 80 percent of wood stoves in use would not meet tightened standards and consumers would never be able to buy them brand new — raising energy costs for millions of people during the coldest times of the year.
“Thousands of Montanans rely on wood burning stoves for affordable, cost-effective energy — yet once again, the EPA is moving forward with new, costly regulations that could stand in the way of Montanans’ access to new residential wood heaters or burden Montana families with higher costs,” Daines said.
But EPA claims the rule will save lives while only costing $45.7 million per year. EPA also argues that forcing people to ditch their wood stoves will result in 360 to 810 fewer death per year from reduced emissions of carbon monoxide and volatile organic compounds.
“To the extent that children and other sensitive populations are particularly susceptible to asthma, and that minority populations and low-income populations are more vulnerable, this rule will significantly reduce the pollutants that adversely affect their health,” the EPA said in regulatory documents.
The finalized version of EPA’s rule also gives manufacturers more time to make and certify stoves that emit fewer pollutants. Politico’s Morning Energy notes that “[c]ompanies that make small wood-burning forced air furnaces will have to meet first-step emissions limits by 2016, with large furnaces having until 2017.”
“All sizes have to meet second-step limits by 2020,” reports Politico. “EPA will also allow conditional certification for up to a year for several devices if the manufacturer gets an EPA-accredited lab to certify an emissions test.”
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Wisconsin Republicans State Rep. David Craig and State Sen. Frank Lasee introduced legislation to prevent state regulators from implementing the EPA’s wood stove rules. Craig and Lasee argue the rule will only serve to raise energy prices for state residents and hurt manufacturers. Missouri has also introduced a law to block the EPA wood stove rule.
“The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) continues to introduce regressive standards that hurt Wisconsinites, particularly low income families who rely on wood heat,” said Craig.
States such as Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Wisconsin and other states that have very rural areas are not likely to take this sitting down. It will hurt millions of people and many just won’t be able to afford to get a new, more expensive wood stove. This has nothing to do with asthma or pollution either. That’s just another piece of governmental propaganda. It has everything to do with controlling energy and resources and wait for it… money. Like doing away with coal, this will also cause energy prices to skyrocket even more. We don’t have to see Russia from here anymore… we’re living in it.
Central and Hardy are similar in lots of ways.
How do classic cars survive....exceptions to law?
You're talking a Constitutional Amendment; I have one that does similar to what you propose, check out Sec VIII:
| Tax Reform Amendment |
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| Section I No tax, fee, fine, or judgement —federal, State, or subdivision of either— shall ever be withheld from any wage. Section II No property shall be seized for failure to pay taxes until after conviction in a jury trial; the right of the jury to nullify (and thereby forgive) this debt shall never be questioned or denied. Section III The second amendment is hereby recognized as restricting the power of taxation, both federal and state, therefore no tax (or fine) shall be laid upon munitions or the sale thereof. Section IV The seventh amendment is also hereby recognized, and nothing in this amendment shall restrict the right of a citizen to seek civil redress. Section V No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever exceed 10%. Section VI No income tax levied by the federal government, the several States, or any subdivision of either shall ever apply varying rates to those in its jurisdiction. Section VII No retrospective, retroactive or ex post facto tax, fee, or fine shall ever be valid; nor shall the Congress delegate the creation of any tax, fee, or fine in any way; nor shall Congress give any credit, exemption, or deduction to any person or class of persons whatsoever. Section VIII No federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent shall ever be exempt from any tax, fine, or fee by virtue of their position. Section IX Any federal employee, representative, senator, judge, justice or agent abridging, attempting to abridge, or otherwise circumventing this amendment shall, upon conviction, be evicted from office and all retirement benefits forfeit. |
I have a wood stove that we only use when there is a power outage. How can the government enforce this? They would have to go into a house to inspect the stove, which raises all sorts of constitutional issues. The only way they could enforce it is on the sale of the house, in which the homeowner would be required to replace the stove. Otherwise, not enforceable.
They don't see it as erosion of their power, they see it as being able to impose what would be unpopular law without the blow-back of accountability.
What are you talking about? They stand with Obama — don't you remember Republican leadership talking about passing amnesty just prior to the November elections?
xzins, do you run yours in the summer for the hot water savings?
First our televisions, then our lightbulbs, then our utility meters, then our healthcare, now the basic animal need to stay warm. What’s next? Government regulated matchmaking by bureaucrats who will assign gay or lesbian partners to everyone?
No I don’t. I have thought about getting one of Brown’s small steam engines to play with. They are wood burning.
http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/mbsteam.htm
Well, since marriage is a 'right', then shouldn't the government be forcing someone to marry ugly ole Zeke who nobody wants to partner up with? After all he has a 'right' to be married.
Yea.. my grandmother had a wood stove with a waterback all her life in her little house.. it provided all the heating.. she do all the cooking on it and of course the water back for the hot water... if i recall it took a about two cords of wood a year...
2 cords is about 4 pickups and that is about 250 bucks.
That’s pretty cheap heat for a heating season.
This is probably the real reason the epa is going after wood. They probably get that much in taxes from the 3000 that the utilities would charge for the same amount of heating.
Coe get my boiler, bring your army.
Amen. Should have been done that way a long time ago.
And people buy wood from folks who cut wood, and I’ll bet they don’t know much about taxes.
FUEPA
Lol
I made my wood stove with sheet metal and my welder. It is efficient, safe, and the heat is evenly distributed throughout the house. The EPA and this government can go to hell in a regulated hand basket.
so its a generator? and do you hook it up to your power/electric panel? So you lose power, you then fire up the steam generator.
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