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To: csivils
You consider skipping any vaccination to be neglect and harm.

Go back through this thread and point out to me to where I said that.

So why is your stance on what is harmful/neglect superior to theirs... because you say so? Because you know best? Isn’t that the very heart of leftist government is the answer liberals?

Your argument is silly. There are definitions of neglect that we agree to. They aren't made by "the government" they're laws passed by representatives of the people of the United States, signed by their executives, and reviewed for uniform application, fairness, and due consideration of their rights by the judiciary. All this is done in hearings with medical professionals and concerned citizens. There isn't some bureaucrat [or FReeper] arbitrarily making a declaration somewhere about what's good for your kids, and there are legitimate exemptions for conscience.

When did this anarcho-libertarian strain infect conservatism? Next you'll be telling me that traffic lights warranted by the DOT are an unreasonable intrusion into your right to operate your motor vehicle in whatever way you please. You don't have the right to harm your children. Those decisions are made by the polity. If you don't like that, go live in the wilderness somewhere. Civilization places some restraints on us. Deal with it.

210 posted on 02/04/2015 1:11:29 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: FredZarguna

“There isn’t some bureaucrat [or FReeper] arbitrarily making a declaration somewhere about what’s good for your kids, and there are legitimate exemptions for conscience.”

Are you certain of that? When was the last time that you have read the 80,000 pages of regulations written in the last 6 years?

The fact of the matter is that you, other freepers and I don’t know the process. It is impossible to know the process instituted by an unelected regulation author that makes changes to the regulation on his/her whim.

“When did this anarcho-libertarian strain infect conservatism?”

I’d rather be much closer to anarchy than we are today to tyranny.


215 posted on 02/04/2015 1:22:18 PM PST by CSM
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To: FredZarguna

“’You consider skipping any vaccination to be neglect and harm.’

Go back through this thread and point out to me to where I said that.”

You made the statement that parents do not have the right to neglect their children or harm their children in support of mandated vaccinations. Are you now backing off that stance?

Driving is a privilege, your entire rant has nothing to do with the government power grab of required vaccinations. Vaccinations are not currently required, stating that they should CONTINUE to be the parents choice is not an anarcho-libertarian, it is the status-quo. Your stance that they should be is the change.... it is a change for more government, so once again... if you support making vaccines required then you support a big government power grab by your own words.

And for what reason do you support this big increase in the nanny state? By CDC numbers, zero deaths from measles... so the current system is working. So either you don’t support mandatory vaccinations (and agree with the stance you ridicule), or you support big-govt power grab based on a reaction to a non-existent problem. If you want to claim the anti-vaccination people are silly for not following the science... then where is your numbers to justify a govt power grab. Zero deaths = zero reason for nanny state.

As soon as the debate is viewed from the perspective of what the current laws are, your position looks silly.


234 posted on 02/04/2015 2:05:05 PM PST by csivils
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