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Obama budget proposes retirement savings cap
Benefits Pro ^ | February 2, 2015 | Nick Thornton

Posted on 02/02/2015 10:45:29 AM PST by abb

With the release of its 2016 spending blueprint Monday, the Obama White House officially signaled its intent to use retirement policy to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans.

The proposed 10-year budget, which allots $4 trillion in spending for fiscal year 2016, will attempt to cap tax-deferred saving in 401(k) and Individual Retirement Accounts at about $3.4 million.

That amount of savings generates more than $200,000 of income annually in retirement when annuitized, an income stream that should be sufficient for most, according to the Obama administration’s rationale behind the proposal.

The vast majority of Americans would never feel the cap. In 2011, only one out of every 1,000 Americans had more than $3 million in their retirement accounts, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute. That said, many in the industry oppose it, especially in light of concerns over rising interest rates.

“Politically, it is convenient to target people who have saved $3.4 million,” Klein said. “But the devil is in the details when you look at the impact on younger workers and the inevitability that interest rates will rise over the coming decades.”

The problem is that annuity prices vary with interest rates because insurance companies buy bonds to finance pay-outs. When bond yields are low, as they are now, annuities are more expensive. Right now a 10-year Treasury bond yield is just 2 percent. If it jumps to 5 percent (the rate in 2006), that $205,000 annual annuity would only cost $2.2 million. .

The cap is a relatively small gambit in the budget’s larger effort to raise revenues by increasing capital gains taxes, inheritance taxes, and taxes on foreign revenue streams of U.S. multinational companies. Related 13 things on the IRI’s regulatory agenda

A possibly overreaching fiduciary standard is just one of many items the organization will lobby on in the coming year.

The budget also purports to stimulate middle-class incomes with a series of spending initiatives and tax cuts.

New retirement regulations in the budget would also make it easier for workers to save for retirement through their employers by giving 30 million more workers access to IRAs in which they are automatically enrolled, according to a fact sheet published on the White House’s Office of Management and Budget site.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 401k; definedcontribution; ira; tax; taxes
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To: molson209

Good idea!


41 posted on 02/02/2015 12:27:36 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Gamecock
He is throwing all sorts of crap out there just to see what will stick.

Yes, but more importantly, he is trying to undo everything that Kemp-Roth-Reagan did to empower a group of Americans that have been called by the likes of Larry Kudlow "The Investor Class".

You can see the Occupant of 1600 something or other truly reviles Reagan and everything he stood for in regards to American Exceptionalism, and getting Gov't the h@!! out of the individual and letting them find their own way and excel.

42 posted on 02/02/2015 12:59:22 PM PST by taildragger (It's Cruz, Pence or Walker, anything else is a Yugo with Racing Stripes....)
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To: abb
This usually happens only if you have other substantial income

I take exception to the word substantial. I pay every year on my SS benefits and my interest/dividend is hardly what I would call "SUBSTANTIAL". I have been having problems paying for my medical and drug insurance, not to mention the drugs.
43 posted on 02/02/2015 1:23:58 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Brown Deer

It is time something be done about this.


44 posted on 02/02/2015 1:24:30 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ilovesarah2012

You probably have, O-dey, sell your house in Hawaii and Chicago and take your daughters out of private school. That’s make you a few million $$$ closer to us citizens paying your wages.


45 posted on 02/02/2015 1:48:27 PM PST by madison10
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To: abb
The proposed 10-year budget...will attempt to cap tax-deferred saving in 401(k) and Individual Retirement Accounts at about $3.4 million.

What a jerk.

46 posted on 02/02/2015 1:50:39 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: abb

“The vast majority of Americans would never feel the cap.”

The limitless Federal printing of unbacked paper money will eventually cause hyperinflation. When that happens, we will all become millionaires (or worse) and thereby subject to the cap.


47 posted on 02/02/2015 2:46:41 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

Any kind of inflation will do the trick.

A 1984 dollar is worth $.44 in 2014. Assuming the same rate of inflation for the next 30 years, the $3 million has to grow to be $6.8 million to have the same purchasing power.


48 posted on 02/02/2015 2:54:43 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: abb

Another bad idea from the worst administration of my lifetime.


49 posted on 02/02/2015 2:59:52 PM PST by DemforBush (A Repo Man is always intense!)
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To: All

“We’ll have to accept this because we don’t have the votes. We’ll change it back once we’ve won the White House.” - Republican response.


50 posted on 02/02/2015 4:59:45 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (Obama voters are my enemy. And so are republican voters.)
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To: VanDeKoik

This dude must have lost his damn mind.

Nope. This dude was re-elected. And he has no opposition.


51 posted on 02/02/2015 5:01:28 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (Obama voters are my enemy. And so are republican voters.)
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To: KarlInOhio
He can just golf and let Valerie Jarrett actually run it... kind of like how he handles the country now.

Well, yes, there is that option, isn't there?

52 posted on 02/02/2015 5:04:12 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: abb

If they get it, they’ll pull some BS like with the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) and with Social Security taxation, where they “forget” to index it for inflation, or something similar.


53 posted on 02/02/2015 5:37:23 PM PST by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: abb

0bama Budget:

D.O.A.


54 posted on 02/02/2015 6:06:58 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Bush / Clinton 2016! Clinton / Bush 2020! Uniparty Rules!)
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To: dfwgator
Every law intended to “soak the rich” winds up hitting the Middle Class the worst, see the A.M.T.

See Social Security taxation, too. That's not indexed for inflation, either. Another "unfortunate mistake" by our CONgressthieves...

55 posted on 02/02/2015 6:26:15 PM PST by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: AU72
Few understand that Social Security is already means-tested
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/columnists/scott-burns/20130112-few-understand-that-social-security-is-already-means-tested.ece

Plus, Social Security taxation is not indexed to inflation, just like the AMT! (it's in the article)

56 posted on 02/02/2015 6:35:12 PM PST by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: AU72

Already happened. DW and I get taxed on 85% of our SS “benefit” now, and we are hardly in the upper 1%.

The original promise was that SS “benefits” would be non-taxable!

Love your effing government, because your government loves effing you!


57 posted on 02/02/2015 7:15:01 PM PST by Taxman (I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!)
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To: abb

In reality those of us with income over the limits you cite get multiple hammering.

My company gave me a good early retirement package @ the age of 56.

The catch was when you turned 62, they deducted that from your monthly pension.

I had good consulting gig and made any where from $500/1000 per week.

When I went on social security at age 62, our CPA told me to quit the consulting gig and work on preserving our IRA s.

My wife complained, and our CPA told her to get Homer bucket and once a month fill the bucket with 10 to 20 dollar bills and sit in the back of my pickup and toss the money out due to the taxes.

So I quit my consulting and the SS fund lost my double contributions as an independent contractor.


58 posted on 02/03/2015 7:04:20 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Will French, German & Belgians make anti-terror raids on our White House, AG Dept and Homeland Sec.?)
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To: Grampa Dave

They have to go to where the money’s at. The meat is in the middle.


59 posted on 02/03/2015 7:23:15 AM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: GeronL

Soros wants to destroy the dollar, too—so that 3.4M would generate a poverty-level income stream…


60 posted on 02/03/2015 7:47:17 AM PST by Mamzelle
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