Posted on 02/02/2015 8:26:07 AM PST by Reverend Saltine
LOL, democrat voting data, voting data on the left, that is what we do here.
Do you do this on all of the voting data threads and discussions of liberal groups?
I can understand conservatives discussing it and needing to know it, and analyze it, but I can’t understand the obsession of a conservative wanting to censor voting data on liberals.
Why are you doing that?
Go back to the Huffington Post.
You give conservatism, which you pretend to espouse, a bad name.
I do not hate, but there are people I hold in contempt. You are a contemptible idiot.
Im done. Try another web-site.
Since you are the one being the whacked out liberal lying troll, you should take your own advice.
Why don’t you calm down and tell me specifically which post about the left wing vote, that you disagree with.
If you were not a troll, you could and would do that.
Was it post 78 to you, or post 101? You seemed reasonable until you were shown to be mistaken, then you went personal.
File under the more things change the more they stay the same.
It’s pretty funny. Curious if he is just stupid or an intentional troll. Hard to tell.
I do like your post of the same article, with his comments, which he ignores.
I wish there was a photo of a nice young guy in a yarmulke saying “Not this Stuff Again!” Lol.
The main reason why jews are liberal today in 2015 is fear of being shamed by their friends and family. It is harder to come out at Passover as conservative than gay, in a non orthodox extended family. I’ve done it. The former, that is. You will never be as accepted as you were, you will never be seen the same. If you came out as gay, you’d be the star of the show. Everyone would want to be seen as being close to you. If you announce you’re voting for the Republican, it’s like announcing you just pooped on the floor.
I have heard that it is very similar in black american extended families as well.
Finally a decent answer. However, the actual real reason is mine, though yours are the reasons behind the reason. See my recent post. I’ve been there and it is not for the feint of heart.
On a values basis he ought to hit a home run with them. He’s biblical about it and so are they.
It’s the Christian/Jewish split that would post a problem. You can bet the MSM is going to try to needle him into making some sort of gaffe.
“Hasnt Norman wrote on this before?”
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Jews-Liberals-Norman-Podhoretz/dp/0307456250
Voting data doesn’t change much does it?
Do you realize what the thread topic is, and how totally irrelevant and troll like your posts have been on it?
Do you have any input on the thread topic?
“blacks used to be republicans, and they switched in a single election to the democrat party” (1936)
Maybe it is time to update the question.
What would make Jews conservatives?
Such political shifts happen - in fact they are constantly happening at different speeds among different demographics.
So what factors do you think would be most influential, in swinging this particularly influential demographic?
I went looking to see why analysts think blacks changed their party affiliation, and here are some theories:
- “Bread and butter” issues during the Great Depression. The New Deal was effectively sold.
- Leadership arose within the Black community - i.e. Arthur Mitchell and Adam Clayton Powell.
- Outreach. High profile public and symbolic gestures by Eleanor Roosevelt supporting Blacks and rejecting rascism.
-Recruiting and organizing in the black community (Communists had been organizing the Black community for 20 years prior, and were prominent in the Roosevelt coalition). Mass migration of Blacks from the South to Northern cities occurred because of the Depression (greatly accelerated by New Deal policies which rapidly displaced cotton), where Democrat Party machines incorporated them as they had other waves of immigrants.
Even with those factors and the dramatic realignment, 25-40% of Blacks continued to vote Republican, until the second major realignment in 1964, when Johnson supported the Civil Rights Act, and Goldwater opposed it (based on States Rights infringements). From 1964 on, we have seen Blacks become consistently the most solidly Democrat demographic - 85 to 95% for Democratic Presidential candidate ever since.
Usually at the best schools...
So their parents scrimp and save and work extra hard at their own businesses so when their kids get back from them they want to support the very policies that are antithetical to what helped pay for their own education.
If the colleges were not such indoctrination mills there would be fewer liberals in general population and far fewer in Jewish circles.
A Very Interesting Observation Grace.
Can't say I have thought about it that way before.
Sadly I know many of us Jews who are so left they would make Jerry Brown Blush, BUT I also know many of the opposite too. ;)
Honestly, the more a Jew today is informed about economics and maybe is involved in some way, and the stronger his or her personality or convictions, they should vote conservative. And some do.
Being an “out” Jewish person, that is, my friends and family know how I lean, sometimes people will “confess” to me that they voted for the R guy too, but they are not ready to tell the world.
But it’s a hard demo to crack. One relative told me he doesn’t trust people to give to help the poor. This guy DOES, he donates his money and time to charities. But he doesn’t trust others to do so, so he is ok with the government taking from the rich (he would fall into that category according to obama) to help the poor. It’s a head shaker.
And they will align with the NYT or the mass media. They consider themselves well informed, well read. They suck it up like Hashem wrote the NYT. I was once approached and asked by one female relative, “You’re not part of the [said in a voice tinged with disgust] Tea Party, are you?” I asked her what she thought the tea party was, and I told her that it wasn’t a party, it was just a symbolic revolt against both parties in power with the name Taxed Enough Already. She had no idea. She thought it was sometimes deep and Christian fundamentalist. I told her that it is mainly about returning to the freedoms in the constitution, where a lot of the crap thrown down to us by the government is unconstitutional. They buy everything they read in the paper. And if they step out of the shtetl on a subject, friends will mock.
There is a long tradition of clannish ness with Jews. Like with american blacks. Both these groups close ranks a lot to outsiders. Even innocent outsiders. Again, I know this from personal experience. I grew up in a mostly Jewish neighborhood. 60% of the kids at my elementary school were Jewish. I take after my German jewish grandma and have blonde hair and blue eyes. My grandfather, after surviving the camps, changed our name. When I would play at a friend’s house, the parents were very stiff and polite to me. I would never have thought there was anything wrong at all, everyone was kind and nice. But when the parents found out I too was Jewish, I became part of the family. There was a warmth and a “family” feel, where they relaxed around me.
I would say that there are more Jews voting conservative now than ever before, but it’s still a hard demo to crack. And yes, they all think Sarah Palin is stupid. Also, most Christians or non religious think Sarah Palin is stupid. I’d say 3/4 of America are pretty sure she is stupid. I’m not all that happy with Sarah’s recent choices, but I know she is NOT stupid. Boy did the media win THAT one.
Thanks for your insights on swinging the Jewish vote.
Although I am well socialized with Jews, I’m not Jewish. The aspect of clannishness that you mentioned, is something that I have seen, but did not really appreciate as a political factor until you pointed it out.
Looking at the swing in the Black community from R to D, one of the factors proposed has been leadership from within the community championing the change. I listen to Mark Levin regularly on the radio, and occasionally to Michael Savage. Have you noted any Jewish leaders or political representatives actively preaching conservatism to Jews, or ringing the clarion of the Democrat Party betraying Jews to the Islamists? Any insider voices which might get through the media screen?
Another factor mentioned in the historic political realignment of Blacks, was the crisis economic situation of the Depression, and the appeal of a “New Deal”. Any inkling of a shift in feelings on economic policy? Is there a feeling of “wrong direction” worrying folks?
Finally, there was the Civil Rights Act, which cemented the realignment. This kind of strikes to the heart of alienation and distrust which unifies an oppressed/injured minority. That “circle the wagons” mentality will naturally persist for a long time, after traumatic events - it is an important lesson learned to impress on the kids. Who is viewed to be on your side on such an existential issue will trump most other considerations.
In my opinion, Jews are threatened in a way that dwarfs any danger to American Blacks, by the organized efforts for eventual genocide by Islamists both Sunni (Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas) and Shia (Iran/HizbAllah). For a long time, those were faraway threats to secular American Jews, but their numbers have been ballooning in Europe and America, and the string of attacks is growing. At some point, a watershed event will likely occur.
Sadly, I just see this as a matter of time. Obama is selling out Jews, just as he is selling out the middle class - while lying to them that he is working for them. If things get hairy with attacks on American Jews, do you think that security issues would cause a flip?
LOL!
Is shark jumping your hobby?
Still can’t find the specific voting fact you can challenge?
That is clear enough.
Was going to say because they’re masochists but Stockholm Syndrome will do.
He’s also very, very smart, which is something my tribe values (often too much, in that smart people are not necessarily good people or good leaders).
Cruz happens to hit all the boxes.
Not a Seder without a solid family fight.
Pretty sure that’s where Seinfeld got “Festivus.”
BarBra Streisand. A great singer but they way she spells her name shows just had bad a liberal education she had.
Next she’ll be known as LaBarBra Du’Streisand.
Liberal Jews have been brainwashed for generations, due in part to their ancestors hatred of the Czar and his institutional anti-Semitism and murderous pogroms (my grandfather and family fled from them).
They loved Roosevelt without really looking at the fact that he was not a friend of European Jews (i.e. the S.S. St. Louis disaster), and blindly followed him because he eventually fought the Nazis.
They also feared another Depression which hit the Jewish urban dwellers very hard, and installed a fear of another one which could only be prevented by Government (a la FDR) intervention (How’d that Obama intervention thingy work out, guys?).
Communist propaganda in the US also played a major role in keeping the majority of American Jews as both Democrats and anti-internal security (re the Rosenberg trials - both were traitors and deserved to die; Sen. Joe McCarthy and his investigations though his top aide, Roy Cohen, was also Jewish).
Jewish academics are basically leftists, even worst than their parents who were at least loyal Democrats, so they poison the minds of their captive audiences.
However, some of us escaped this conditioning and if you look at some of the leading writers on the conservative side/websites/publications, you will find a lot of Jews named Podhoretz, Klein, Horowitz, Glick, Chesler, Stein, King, etc.
They learned long ago to avoid the Marxist brainwashing and to learn on their own what is really going on.
Not all of us are stupid tools of the Left and in fact, we are the Left’s worst nightmare, Jews who know how they think and operate. We are in this fight to the end, their end, their intellectual and historical destruction, obliteration, their being cast onto the trashheap of history, or in my version, down the cesspool of stupidity and treason (for some).
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