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This Report Is A Terrible Sign For The Economy
BI ^ | 1-27-2015 | Myles Udland

Posted on 01/27/2015 7:35:52 AM PST by blam

Myles Udland
January 27, 2015

It is officially a horrible morning for the economy.

After the global manufacturing giant Caterpillar had poor fourth-quarter results and gave a gloomy outlook for 2015, economic data from the US has added to more bad news for the economy Tuesday morning.

Durable goods orders were a HUGE miss, declining 3.4% against expectations for a 0.3% increase.

Durable goods orders excluding defense and transportation orders, referred to as "core" capex, declined 0.6% in December.

Last month's numbers were also revised sharply lower, with November's orders revised down to -2.1% from a prior number of -0.7%.

Following these results, Dow futures were extending their losses, falling by as many as 300 points, while S&P 500 futures were down 27 points, and Nasdaq futures were down 66 points.

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KEYWORDS: caterpillar; dollar; ecoomy; investing
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Contrast this article I posted yesterday morning from the same source:

The US Economy Continues To Look Stronger And Stronger

The DJIA is down 334 as I post.

1 posted on 01/27/2015 7:35:52 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
The economy is a pie. If catapillar does not make a dollar some other dolt will make it. They do not just go away.

I bought a set of arrows and a bow from what I have saved on gasoline already this year.

2 posted on 01/27/2015 7:38:01 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: blam
Dr Copper
3 posted on 01/27/2015 7:40:06 AM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: blam

Caterpillar and other Dow companies are hit by the strong dollar and poor overseas sales. The relative strength of the US economy is itself causing some of their problems.


4 posted on 01/27/2015 7:42:12 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter
You are an idiot, economically speaking.

Given your "reasoning," the dow would never move, and we'd never have depressions or booms.

5 posted on 01/27/2015 7:43:33 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: blam

for later


6 posted on 01/27/2015 7:46:59 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: blam

Not to mention the humongous IBM layoffs and other employee reductions already announced to take effect almost immediately.

“A report in Forbes on Thursday said the company was preparing to cut its workforce by 26%, which would amount to the largest workforce reductions in IBM’s history and affect more than 100,000 employees.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ibm-dismisses-report-of-massive-layoffs-1422289059


7 posted on 01/27/2015 7:48:16 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - Open Up!" "Must be another UPS delivery, honey.")
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To: blam

Acceleration in the decline in copper is not good.

Negative interest rates on bank deposits isn’t good news either.


8 posted on 01/27/2015 7:48:30 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: proxy_user
How much damage is being done to the US and EURO economies because of the sanctions on Russia? How much because of the instability caused by low gasoline prices?

There's no sense trying to predict when the global mess will collapse under its own weight. The more finagling goes on, the worse that collapse is going to be.

9 posted on 01/27/2015 7:48:44 AM PST by grania
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To: blam
Evidently, even loyal bureaucrats can no longer stomach Soetoro economic fantasies. Sooner or later the truth forces itself to the surface. Expect to see more backtracking between now and the next election.
10 posted on 01/27/2015 7:50:01 AM PST by immadashell (The inmates are running the asylum.)
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To: blam

The DOW is now down 387. At what point do they suspend trading? Gold and silver are trending upward.


11 posted on 01/27/2015 8:02:30 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Iron Munro

“A report in Forbes on Thursday said the company was preparing to cut its workforce by 26%, which would amount to the largest workforce reductions in IBM’s history and affect more than 100,000 employees.”

Yes, but ironically this move will likely make IBM stock go up.


12 posted on 01/27/2015 8:03:07 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SVTCobra03
The DOW is now down 387. At what point do they suspend trading?

(a) The Exchange shall halt trading in all stocks and shall not reopen for the time periods specified in this Rule if there is a Level 1, 2, or 3 Market Decline.

(i) For purposes of this Rule, a Market Decline means a decline in price of the S&P 500® Index between 9:30 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. on a trading day as compared to the closing price of the S&P 500® Index for the immediately preceding trading day. The Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3 Market Declines that will be applicable for the trading day will be publicly disseminated before 9:30 a.m.

(ii) A "Level 1 Market Decline" means a Market Decline of 7%.

(iii) A "Level 2 Market Decline" means a Market Decline of 13%.

(iv) A "Level 3 Market Decline" means a Market Decline of 20%.

(b) Halts in Trading.

(i) If a Level 1 Market Decline or a Level 2 Market Decline occurs after 9:30 a.m. and up to and including 3:25 p.m. or in the case of an early scheduled close, 12:25 p.m., the Exchange shall halt trading in all stocks for 15 minutes after a Level 1 or Level 2 Market Decline. The Exchange shall halt trading based on a Level 1 or Level 2 Market Decline only once per trading day. The Exchange will not halt trading if a Level 1 Market Decline or a Level 2 Market Decline occurs after 3:25 p.m., or in the case of an early scheduled close, 12:25 p.m.

(ii) If a Level 3 Market Decline occurs at any time during the trading day, the Exchange shall halt trading in all stocks until the primary listing market opens the next trading day.

(c) Re-opening of Trading

(i) The re-opening of trading following a Level 1 or 2 trading halt shall follow the procedures set forth in Rule 123D.

(ii) If the primary listing market halts trading in all stocks, the Exchange will halt trading in all stocks until trading has resumed on the primary listing market or notice has been received from the primary listing market that trading may resume. If the primary listing market does not reopen a security within 15 minutes following the end of the 15-minute halt period, the Exchange may resume trading in that security.

(c) Nothing in this Rule 80B should be construed to limit the ability of the Exchange to otherwise halt, suspend, or pause the trading in any stock or stocks traded on the Exchange pursuant to any other Exchange rule or policy.

http://rules.nyse.com/NYSE/Help/Map/rules-sys87.html

13 posted on 01/27/2015 8:12:35 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Iron Munro

The strong dollar makes outsourcing even more attractive.


14 posted on 01/27/2015 8:19:55 AM PST by monocle
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To: blam

But.....but.....the Era of Crisis is over. Bammy said so last week.


15 posted on 01/27/2015 8:22:00 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Even with the printing presses running at full speed, and very minimal interest rates on money put out at interest, the world is suffering from a spate of DEFLATION, too few dollars chasing too many goods and services, goods and services which are just piling up in inventory at businesses which must soon either discount heavily, or close their doors. Even if they do close their doors, and the inventory is sold at a vast discount, it remains unsold to the ultimate consumer because of not just stagnant demand, but no demand at all.

The velocity of transfers of money has fallen a good deal, the pie is SHRINKING.


16 posted on 01/27/2015 8:25:40 AM PST by alloysteel (Je suis Charlie)
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To: blam
This Report Is A Terrible Sign For The Economy

Wait! It's only been a week or so since 0bama's propaganda bureau was crowing about lower unemployment and how the economy was growing! That can't be wrong, can it? /sarc

17 posted on 01/27/2015 8:26:10 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (OK. Now How many votes do we need to IMPEACH and REMOVE the bastard?)
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To: alloysteel

...services, goods and services which are just piling up in inventory at businesses which must soon either discount heavily, or close their doors. Even if they do close their doors, and the inventory is sold at a vast discount, it remains unsold to the ultimate consumer because of not just stagnant demand, but no demand at all.
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Agreed. And yet, how often is the positive economic report based on “climbing inventories”? That measures expectations and the negative report is always preceded by *unexpected*.

Nothing works. Nothing makes sense. Mandated taxes are reported as *growth in consumer spending*.

One quibble: how can one have an *inventory* of services? Services=time. Each service provider has so much time available vs.so many clients. The only way services can be *stockpiled* as *inventory* is when the number of clients declines versus the providers’ available time to deliver them. When that happens, fees must be cut. Therefore, an increased inventory of services equals less economic activity due to a declining market.


18 posted on 01/27/2015 8:38:27 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Yes, but ironically this move will likely make IBM stock go up.

True. In fact that is probably one of the main reasons for the cutbacks.

But it certainly won't help the employment/unemployment ratio in the US, although not all of the layoffs are domestic.


19 posted on 01/27/2015 8:44:44 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - Open Up!" "Must be another UPS delivery, honey.")
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To: blam
This chart and the way Caterpillar are reading it, is a good example of why deflation is a tough thing to work with. Example: why buy a boatload (literally) of earthmoving/mining equipment if the stuff you're digging for is dropping in price?. If you expect the decline to continue, what do your NPV calculations on your capital investments (equipment) tell you? You have little incentive to invest now, better to hunker down and ride it out until more predictable and profitable days return.

Now extend the same thinking to cars, clothing, machine tools, presses, whatever you like.

And so a deflationary contraction begins. Dropping prices look good on the surface but if you build dirt moving equipment not so much.

20 posted on 01/27/2015 8:48:44 AM PST by Riflema
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