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Methane Deceptions
Townhall.com ^ | January 24, 2015 | Paul Driessen

Posted on 01/24/2015 6:27:20 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/24/2015 6:27:20 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

They want to relegate us to pastures chewing our cuds like the contented food stamp/welfare cows. But not eating the cows.


2 posted on 01/24/2015 6:30:50 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Kaslin

ping


3 posted on 01/24/2015 6:49:54 AM PST by Dusty Road (")
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To: Kaslin
Nice compilation. Still, he misses how much money the people financing this monstrous scam with our money intend to make selling natural gas at prices inflated by shortages.

It will be California in 2002 on a national scale.

4 posted on 01/24/2015 6:58:37 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Those who profess noblesse oblige regress to droit du seigneur.)
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To: Kaslin

The Left’s energy plan has always been no energy. I told Mrs Redangus this years ago that first they shut down nuclear development, then they would come after coal, while pushing NG, then once coal was gone they would come after NG. I expect a big push on hydro soon. And they’ve already attacked some large solar farms for hurting poor little desert creatures.


5 posted on 01/24/2015 7:04:00 AM PST by redangus
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To: Kaslin
Methane....a global energy resource bigger than coal and oil combined....

and some current developments:

Coalbed methane (CBM) – also known in Australia as coal seam gas (CSG) -- natural gas that is stored (‘adsorbed”) in deeply buried coal seams. CBM is pipeline-quality gas that requires no or minimal processing prior to sale.

6 posted on 01/24/2015 7:07:14 AM PST by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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What the picture doesn’t show is the thousands of methane vents coming from those deposits and naturally occurring methane from decomposition in the earth and at the surface. What the article misses is we in the oil and gas business vent very little methane, to vent means losing money and we don’t like doing that. The gas produced goes directly into pipelines.


7 posted on 01/24/2015 7:27:01 AM PST by Dusty Road (")
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Proposed EPA regulations would compel drilling and fracking companies to reduce methane (natural gas or CH4) emissions by 40-45% by 2025, compared to 2012.

How much natural gas is lost from the antique, yes OVER 100 year old pipes?
Most old cities are infested with antique pipes, and they leak.

Typical service life for pipe above ground is 60 years;below grade , soil conditions, cast iron, wrought iron, yoloy...can be short.

Replacement cost go from ONE MILLION to TEN MILLION DOLLARS per mile! Depending on the local build up.

The old gas mains have been shovel ready for over fifty years!

8 posted on 01/24/2015 7:55:50 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (BINGO!)
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Methane gas has increased 150% in the atmosphere since the mid 1700’s. (During the same time period, carbon dioxide has increased only 30 %.) A gram of methane gas has more than 25 times as much greenhouse gas impact as a gram carbon dioxide. As many know, flatulence, “farts,” are composed almost entirely of methane gas.

Therefore, Al Gore has developed a new program to combat this obviously increasing peril to our planet, and make a little money for himself at the same time.

It is called Fat Al’s Recycle Technology (F. A. R. T.).

Everyone will be required to wear a “F.A.R.T. meter,” (Cost $75, available only from Al Gore) which will record and automatically transmit to a new government agency (the Federal Automatic Recording Technology Department, The FART Dept.) the occasion of each fart and the volume thereof.

For an additional fee of $4,500, interested parties can purchase a fart capture device (available only from Al Gore). This 25 pound device can be conveniently worn under the special clothing available also from Al Gore in attractive shades of brown.

When full, the interested consumer can present his fart capture device to Al Gore’s recycling center, where for a fee of $0.10 per fart, the captured farts will be recycled into the US natural gas distribution system. Al Gore also will receive a modest fee of only $0.015 per fart for the energy content of the gas.

The interested consumer will also receive “fart credits” for the number of farts he recycles. These “fart credits” can be traded to other consumers, who elected not to purchase a fart capture device, through Al Gore’s Fart Trading Exchange. Al Gore will extract only a small commission of $0.01 per fart for each trade.

All Consumers will be required to be “fart neutral” by a “Cap and Trade” regulation, administered by the new FART Department.

Legislation is being developed as we speak, by the concerned former Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, and her erstwhile compatriot in the Senate, Harry Reid.

Get ahead of the mandated stampede to control this growing threat to our planet. Get you fart capture device now.


9 posted on 01/24/2015 8:17:14 AM PST by LOC1 (We need a new President.)
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10 posted on 01/24/2015 8:17:20 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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Just go to factory farming....cows stacked in closed warehouses fed and milked automatically....abattoirs connected by conveyor belt next door, entire plant run on energy from the collected methane.
11 posted on 01/24/2015 8:36:51 AM PST by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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To: LOC1
I do not know the details because I did not hear it first hand, but, I was told by someone, about two days ago, that they heard on the radio, they do not recall the station nor the name of the "guest" and it certainly was not C2C, but, this knowledgeable guest said, that, he said that, that, there's

METHANE on MARS!

I was shocked to hear this.

Who f*rted on Mars?

Even if we try to get rid of it, will methane gas be the last gas standing?

12 posted on 01/24/2015 9:21:32 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Carry_Okie
When was the last time your read your conclusion at that link? Have you ever considered backing off a bit on your condemnation of "we?" Because so few of us individuals have the power you imply to actually even slow the collective.

It's been more than a dozen years since you wrote that C_O. You mentioned Hegelian and other influences in another comment today or yesterday. How much of that "we did this to ourselves" was in actually foisted upon us by something akin to the Dephi Technique? And who amongst us knows what countermeasures work against such subterfuge and can teach it? I don't know of anyone; do you?

And maybe I ought to have written "could have taught it," because I'm pretty sure we are beyond the point of solving any of our problems pedagogically.

13 posted on 01/24/2015 9:53:56 AM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (Fear govts that never dis & often employ Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases.)
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Have you ever considered backing off a bit on your condemnation of "we?"

Not a bit. It was the people who elected the representatives of whom they demanded unconstitutional services who enabled this mess.

How much of that "we did this to ourselves" was in actually foisted upon us by something akin to the Dephi Technique?

Every bit of what was foisted was foisted on me too.

And who amongst us knows what countermeasures work against such subterfuge and can teach it? I don't know of anyone; do you?

Thanks a bunch.

And maybe I ought to have written "could have taught it," because I'm pretty sure we are beyond the point of solving any of our problems pedagogically.

I just had a minor bureaucrat visit our place a couple of days ago. He got it, including the racketeering aspects of this mess. People know they're getting screwed. Just that "Energy Racketeering" article has received over 1,100 loads this month. My articles have almost 5,000 readers a month. My new book, about which I haven't even posted notice, has had 250 chapter readers this month. There are a couple thousand who read Shemitta pages.

All told, it's about 12,000 articles and chapters a month, and as you know, NONE of these people would be lightweights. My goal is to build the material with which to teach leaders. I can't bring them to water, but there is a lot there to drink, and soon there will be much more.

14 posted on 01/24/2015 11:02:46 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Those who profess noblesse oblige regress to droit du seigneur.)
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The Diamond/Delphi technique and how to counter it.
15 posted on 01/24/2015 11:03:00 AM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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I was first subjected to a Delphi treatment back in 1994 and spoke about it at a Freedom 21 Conference hosted by Henry Lamb.


16 posted on 01/24/2015 11:28:05 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Those who profess noblesse oblige regress to droit du seigneur.)
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To: Don W
Thanks Don. I see that one of the key attributes to counter the strategies is to have a group committed to fighting the facilitators.

My being an often irascible and stand-alone individual, even had I known of such countermeasures and practiced them, it might not have worked even with prearranged and practiced allies.

Apparently something similar to my failures have been true for many others as well, because the Progs have advanced far too well despite this knowledge. So? How often has it worked? Seeing the power of the GOPe and the weakness of conservative pubbies, I'm surmising: not yet enough.

The Collectivists work well because they are NOT individualists first. They want power, individuals mostly want to be left alone, tending only get involved when push comes to shove. I always wished I knew what path worked to get more of us to take a long view so as to necessitate involvement. I regret I gave into despair after many failures. I am to blame for those failures. They were mostly due to my inability to build such needed blocs before confrontations with the enemy.

And now, I'm old and tired. I wish it were not so, but even when young I tended to write with a Jeremiad tone. My failings need not be those of the next generation, and I hope it learns from errors such as mine. I surely wish you better success.

I sincerely hope you can convince younger people to do what I could not persevere at.

One more thing though. This discussion of counter tactics was devised before the Left started to deploy more fascistic types. In this day of shameless lying, the "knock-out" game and jihadi-like masked thugs, all but feigned niceties have been pretty much disappeared. Any countering group need to have strong security even as it attempts to appear unconnected to each other, else they are apt to be targets as individuals going out the door (and maybe even on a meeting floor).

We have arrived at trying times.

17 posted on 01/24/2015 1:00:15 PM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (Fear govts that never dis & often employ Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I think I was exposed to it at about the same time. Do you remember the Concord Coalition meetings held around the country? The one I attended was staged at Occidental College. That ring a bell? :(


18 posted on 01/24/2015 1:02:57 PM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (Fear govts that never dis & often employ Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases.)
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To: Carry_Okie
thanks a bunch.

I was NOT deriding your tireless work, which is far in excess to my own. I was bemoaning knowing of a tactical training program where more people could do the kind of things needed to derail the Progs tactic in advancing their agenda. Being filled with facts and knowledge and eloquence clearly is not enough.

And I surely hope you continue to make gains. The truth does matter.

The thing is, those newly informed minor bureaucrats have to be able to keep their jobs. They WILL run into apparatchiks who will softly say things like "you're smart enough to know which side is the right one."

And should they fail to respond "well" to such suggestions, they will hear something like "I thought you were smart" at their exit interview.

The CAGW climate scam is more reliant on their Soviet-Style media (SSM) than on the actual number of climate scientist who are listed in the "consensus." But that doesn't mean that climate scientists can be assured they'll get their next research grant if they don't bow in the right direction when called on to do so. Same with Forestry Service and Interior bureaucrats. It's one thing for them to have their eyes opened by you, entirely another to buck the nefarious system that seeks to grows the department they work in (with them or without them).

We live in much nastier times.

19 posted on 01/24/2015 1:22:27 PM PST by Avoiding_Sulla (Fear govts that never dis & often employ Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases.)
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To: Kaslin

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


20 posted on 01/24/2015 1:43:50 PM PST by abclily
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