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After 12 Years in a Coma This Man Said “I Was Aware of Everything,” But He’s Not The Only One
Life News ^ | 1/23/15 | Ken Connor

Posted on 01/23/2015 8:05:13 AM PST by wagglebee

The history of human knowledge as it relates to the human body is a fascinating and terrible thing. In every age, the ability for physicians and other medical practitioners to effectively treat wounds or combat disease has been constrained by the technology – or lack thereof – available at the time. In the past, people often died from illnesses or injuries that are quite treatable today. Over the centuries, we’ve come a long way. Our understanding of human physiology and biology has enabled us to improve quality of life and extend life expectancy beyond anything our ancestors could have imagined.

Despite our advances, however, there remains a great deal that we don’t fully understand. The human brain, in particular, represents a vast frontier of mystery. There’s much we’ve learned, but for all our progress, it seems we’ve hardly scratched the surface of understanding this most complex of human organs. Unfortunately, it is often the most vulnerable among us who pay the price of our ignorance. In the mid-20th century, neurologists were certain they had discovered a cure for mental illness in lobotomy. But for the victims of this procedure, the price of scientific inquiry was often disastrous.

Thankfully, victims of mental illness no longer have to fear involuntary lobotomy or other ghastly experiments, but there are still vulnerable people who are paying a high price for our lack of understanding of how the human brain works. Patients diagnosed as being in a persistent vegetative state have long been written off by the medical community as a lost cause – a waste of medical resources. In the name of compassion, the families of such individuals have been counseled to withhold nutrition and hydration. They have been assured that their loved one is completely unaware of their surroundings and past any hope of recovery. Sometimes this course of action is pursued even when family members insist that they see signs of responsiveness and awareness in their loved one.

The Terri Schiavo case is one such example. Terri’s parents spent hours each day with their daughter and insisted that she was responsive; her husband insisted that she was a vegetable and past any hope of meaningful recovery. After a bitter legal battle, Terri’s husband prevailed and his wife’s feeding tube was removed. It took Terri Schiavo 14 days to die from starvation and dehydration.

Terri’s husband (who had found comfort in the arms of another woman) insisted he was doing right by his wife. He insisted that she would not have wanted to live in a persistent vegetative state. He maintained that his wife was completely unaware of her surroundings, incapable of perceiving her situation, virtually dead already. In recent years, however, there have been some remarkable stories of individuals diagnosed as being in persistent vegetative state who have regained consciousness.

Martin Pistorious is one such example. After a progressive disease rendered him unable to move or speak, doctors determined that the boy was in a persistent vegetative state and advised that his parents let him die. From NPR:

“But he didn’t die. ‘Martin just kept going, just kept going,’ his mother says. His father would get up at 5 o’clock in the morning, get him dressed, load him in the car, take him to the special care center where he’d leave him. ‘Eight hours later, I’d pick him up, bathe him, feed him, put him in bed, set my alarm for two hours so that I’d wake up to turn him so that he didn’t get bedsores,’ Rodney says. That was their lives, for 12 years. Joan vividly remembers looking at Martin one day and saying: ‘I hope you die’ . . . . And she didn’t think her son was there to hear it. But he was.

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‘Yes, I was there, not from the very beginning, but about two years into my vegetative state, I began to wake up,’ says Martin, now age 39 and living in Harlow, England. He thinks he began to wake up when he was 14 or 15 years old. ‘I was aware of everything, just like any normal person,’ Martin says. But although he could see and understand everything, he couldn’t move his body. ‘Everyone was so used to me not being there that they didn’t notice when I began to be present again,’ he says. ‘The stark reality hit me that I was going to spend the rest of my life like that – totally alone.'”

Pistorious’ story is not unique. There are several documented cases of individuals believed to be “brain dead,” individuals for whom the prospect of an agonizing death by starvation and dehydration was a real possibility if not for the faithfulness of their caretakers. Unfortunately, for every lucky person who was allowed to live long enough to make their state of consciousness known, untold numbers of individuals have likely been allowed to wither and die. A study published in the medical journal The Lancet last year indicates that people diagnosed in PVS (persistent vegetative state) may have a much greater level of awareness than the diagnosis implies. This raises significant ethical concerns surrounding the decision of whether to continue life sustaining measures for these patients. In the words of Dr. Steven Laureys, lead physician on the study, “if life support and feeding are to be withheld, ‘we better get it right.'”

These cases of mistaken diagnoses demonstrate why we should err on the side of caution in protecting the lives of people whom some would otherwise be inclined to dispose of because of brain damage. Clearly, we have not yet arrived at the point where we fully understand how the brain functions after injury. “Persistent vegetative state” is not a diagnosis that can be made with certainty, and this means that sometimes we’re getting it wrong, and people are being sentenced to the worst kind of death: condemned to starve and dehydrate while completely aware of what’s happening, unable to speak out or communicate a desire to live.

This issue magnifies a foundational principle animating the pro-life movement: the belief that the right to life if the foundation of all other rights, the right without which no other right can exist. From this conviction flows the belief that a just society is bound to protect its most vulnerable members, including the very young (the unborn), the very old, the sick, and the disabled. This does not mean that people should not be able to make end of life decisions for themselves, however. On the contrary, people should give great consideration to how they would like to be treated if they find themselves in a coma or a persistent vegetative state and they should make their wishes known through what are known as advance directives or living wills. People have a right to forbear medical treatment if they choose, but that right should be exercised by the patient and not by a third party who stands to gain from their demise or is ignorant of their views on the subject.

Recognizing our fallibility, society should err on the side of preserving innocent life. Conflicting hearsay and self-interested decision making should not suffice to end the life of another, as it did in the Terri Schiavo case. The consequences of being wrong are simply too great.

LifeNews Note: Ken Connor is an attorney and co-author of “Sinful Silence: When Christians Neglect Their Civic Duty.” He is also the Distinguished Fellow of Law and Human Dignity at the John Jay Institute’s Center for a Just Society.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coma; euthanasia; kennethconnor; martinpistorious; moralabsolutes; prolife; terrischiavo
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To: offwhite; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; TheOldLady; ...
Note the quotation marks. He was never diagnosed by doctors as being in a "Persistent Vegetative State" -- unlike Terri Schiavo.

Please explain EXACTLY what you mean about Terri Schiavo.

21 posted on 01/23/2015 10:19:36 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: FamiliarFace
Many have lurked here for a while before getting a screen name. How long have you lurked here?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, oftentimes someone is a retread and not a lurker.

22 posted on 01/23/2015 10:21:07 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Very true. Point well taken!


23 posted on 01/23/2015 10:42:38 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for posting it.


24 posted on 01/23/2015 10:44:30 AM PST by Dante3
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To: wagglebee
"Please explain EXACTLY what you mean about Terri Schiavo."

Terri Schiavo was diagnosed by multiple physicians, including independent court-appointed physicians, as being in a persistent vegetative state.

Martin Pistorious was not.

EXACTLY.

25 posted on 01/23/2015 11:06:35 AM PST by offwhite
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To: FamiliarFace
"P.S. Welcome to Free Republic!"

Gosh. Thank you!

26 posted on 01/23/2015 11:07:47 AM PST by offwhite
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To: FamiliarFace
"We know it’s there because people come out of this state time and again"

If they did, then they weren't in a persistent (or permanent) vegetative state. Perhaps the person was in a minimally conscious state or a coma.

27 posted on 01/23/2015 11:14:37 AM PST by offwhite
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To: offwhite

***Terri Schiavo was diagnosed by multiple physicians, including independent court-appointed physicians, as being in a persistent vegetative state.***

The independent court appointed physician was not independent. It’s been a while since I’ve studied the case, but there was a relationship between that doctor and either the judge or Michael’s lawyer. I think it was Michael’s lawyer who recommended him. As well, he was one who was used in cases where they wanted to conclude that patients were PVS.

Terri was also diagnosed by several other doctors that she was no longer in a PVS, that there was a new diagnosis that fit her, that she had progressed to a Minimally Conscious state. There was a new technology that had been developed only recently to the national awareness of her case. The judge refused to allow the testimony of these doctors to be entered into evidence.

The thing that doomed Terri’s fate was an error in the very beginning, when her family had hired an inexperienced lawyer. This was back in the late 90s if I recall correctly. It was conceded as “fact” by that lawyer, that Terri was in a PVS. Because her family didn’t contest that in the beginning, Terri was doomed by the system. They worked hard to overturn that, but it was a technical lawyerly error.


28 posted on 01/23/2015 11:29:34 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: offwhite; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; TheOldLady; ...
Terri Schiavo was diagnosed by multiple physicians, including independent court-appointed physicians, as being in a persistent vegetative state.

So, a JUDGE gets to decide a person's medical diagnosis?

What about the dozens of medical professionals who signed affidavits that she WAS NOT?

Dr. Jay Carpenter
Dr. Fred Webber
Dr. Jacob Green
Dr. Alexander T. Gimon
Dr. Richard Neubauer
Dr. William Scott Russell
Dr. Joseph L. Brunner
Dr. David L. Coulter
Dr. David Hopper
Dr. Beatrice Engstrand
Dr. Alyse Eytan
Dr. Harry Sawyer Goldsmith
Dr. William M. Hammesfahr
Dr. Paul Harch
Dr. Carolyn Heron
Dr. Lawrence Huntoon
Pamela Hyink , SLP
Dr. Jill Joyce
Dr. James P. Kelly
Dr. Philip R. Kennedy
Dr. Kyle Lakas
Dr. Peter J. Luca
Dr. William Maxfield
Dr. Peter J. Morin
Myra Stinson, CCC-SLP
Dr. James Avery
Dr. Ricardo Senno
Dr. J. Michael Uszler
Dr. Richard Weidman
Dr. Jon David Young
Dr. Thomas Mark Zabiega
Dr. Ralph Ankenman
Carla Sauer Iyer, RN
C. Johnson, CNA
Heidi Law, CNA
Sara Green-Mele. MS. CCC,SLP
Dr. Laurie Barclay
Dr. Rodney Dunaway
Dr. George Isajiw
Dr. Leonard P. Rybak
Dr. William Cheshire

What about the people who actually LOVED Terri and knew that she was aware of things?

I realize that you are VERY NEW to FR (if this is actually your first time here), but you should know that this is a pro-life forum.

29 posted on 01/23/2015 11:33:27 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: offwhite

Minimally conscious was only a term being added to the medical lexicon around the time of the later court cases with Terri.

Your point that the people were misdiagnosed is a real thing. It happens all the time. Years before the MC designation, PVS was the only one that was used after about a month in a VS. Studies from the old days showed that the diagnosis was wrong at least 40% of the time. That’s too much. I think that’s when the experts started looking at other ways of measuring brain activity. There’s still so much to learn.


30 posted on 01/23/2015 11:34:41 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace
See my post below.
31 posted on 01/23/2015 11:35:20 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for that list, wagglebee. There were so many and it’s a shame that Greer wouldn’t allow any of their testimony or evidence in.


32 posted on 01/23/2015 11:38:09 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace
You and your buddy are doing your darndest to turn this into a Terri Schiavo thread, aren't you? Perhaps you can start a new thread instead.

I was making one simple point. The author was comparing Martin Pistorious' condition to that of Terri's Schiavo's. I felt it was an unfair comparison, and I said why.

That's it. Settle down.

33 posted on 01/23/2015 11:45:10 AM PST by offwhite
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To: wagglebee
You and your buddy are doing your darndest to turn this into a Terri Schiavo thread, aren't you? Perhaps you can start a new thread instead.

I was making one simple point. The author was comparing Martin Pistorious' condition to that of Terri's Schiavo's. I felt it was an unfair comparison, and I said why.

That's it. Settle down. Oh, save me some time and copy this to you lengthy list of cohorts -- it runs off my page.

By the way, you have a strange way of welcoming people to FR. More like intimidation.

34 posted on 01/23/2015 11:51:13 AM PST by offwhite
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To: offwhite

I’m not trying to turn this into a Terri thread. It’s about the dangers of diagnosing someone in a VS at all.

You said why you thought it was an unfair comparison to Terri. I’m saying why it’s a good comparison.

Settle down? Have I said anything in anger or excitedly to you? I was giving you info that maybe you weren’t aware of. You brought it up, and in my opinion, you are mistaken.


35 posted on 01/23/2015 11:53:16 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: offwhite; FamiliarFace; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
You and your buddy are doing your darndest to turn this into a Terri Schiavo thread, aren't you? Perhaps you can start a new thread instead.

Hey dumbass, the AUTHOR of the piece brought up Terri's case which makes sense when one realizes that he was one of the main lawyers trying to save her life.

I was making one simple point. The author was comparing Martin Pistorious' condition to that of Terri's Schiavo's. I felt it was an unfair comparison, and I said why.

Let't make it really simple:
Was dehydrating and starving Terri the right and/or legal thing to do?
YES or NO

That's it. Settle down.

You're awfully insolent for a newb.

36 posted on 01/23/2015 11:56:24 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: offwhite; FamiliarFace; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
Oh, save me some time and copy this to you lengthy list of cohorts -- it runs off my page.

I will continue to ping anyone I want.

By the way, you have a strange way of welcoming people to FR.

I'm very welcoming (okay, scratch that, I'm reasonably civil) to people I don't think are trolls.

More like intimidation.

Why don't you complain to Jim Robinson that wagglebee is being mean to you on a pro-life thread...

Or, go bitch about it in an anti-FReeper cesspool if that's more your style.

37 posted on 01/23/2015 12:04:40 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“After a progressive disease rendered him unable to move or speak, doctors determined that the boy was in a persistent vegetative state and advised that his parents let him die. From NPR:”

Actually, from the NPR article:

“The hospital told them to take him home and keep him comfortable ...”


38 posted on 01/23/2015 12:10:26 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: FamiliarFace
"I’m saying why it’s a good comparison."

Fine. That's the essence of debate.

I don't happen to agree with you, that's all. Doesn't mean I don't like you.

39 posted on 01/23/2015 12:11:50 PM PST by offwhite
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To: offwhite

I known many liberals who wander through life in an insistent vegetative state.

Should they be starved?

Or just zotted?


40 posted on 01/23/2015 12:12:01 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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