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To: Gaffer
I saw the victim exit the car with his hands raised from his elbows near his stomach.

Doesn't look like his hands and arms were raised up when he got out of the car. Looks like they were were perpendicular or slightly above perpendicular to the ground.

That's a pretty dangerous position especially if the cop thought he may have had a gun.

43 posted on 01/22/2015 6:02:41 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

I guess. Second guessing as we both are now. What did the cop see? What did he think he saw. My main question amidst the others I have about the reporting is WHY was the initial report to the passenger side of the car? What prompted that? It is my impression that when a stop is made, the first officer approaches the driver while the second officer (partner) approaches from the passenger side.

I’m just saying we don’t have enough information here. Perceptions, thoughts, mis-described accounts, in accurate accounts aren’t substitutes for truth, really. I’m in the “don’t know enough” category right now.


46 posted on 01/22/2015 6:09:05 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: FreeReign

Looked to me like his hands were right in front of him where the cop could see them, in front of the collar bones. Kind of hard to raise your hands all the way when there’s a low ceiling.

And Officer Days had been shouting, get them out, get them out. Maybe Reid was belatedly trying to comply with that.


50 posted on 01/22/2015 6:21:50 AM PST by heartwood
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