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To: DiogenesLamp
Why do you people insist on presenting these false comparisons? We have....blah, blah, blah

It was but one example. I never said marijuana use, historically, was as widespread as alcohol. But marijuana is not without its own users, across multiple countries & cultures, for centuries. Despite your lies/claims.

Perhaps another drug - opium - that enjoyed widespread use centuries ago would be more to your liking as an example?

Half the people currently in the US? I thought you were trying to prove some sort of cultural acceptance?

Not that I care, but what sort of completely arbitrary number would be acceptable to you if not half a population?

To put it into context, you need to demonstrate that a large quantity of people have been using it since at least 1776

Only in your world do I need to do that. Nobody else really cares what a Big Government advocate on a conservative message board thinks.

And here we have the bad logic mixed with the ad hominem argument. Let me educate you.

Please do. I am in awe of your powers of persuasion & debate tactics.

They rightly note that when you alter the brain chemisty, you no longer have the ability to exercise free will, and so your argument to "let adults decide what to put into their bodies..." just falls apart.

They can't. It is impossible for most people under the influence of a narcotic to make such decisions. When they have become infected, it is the drug doing the talking at that point.

And ridiculous claims like this are exactly why people continue to tune out drug warriors.

Have you ever tried marijuana? Did you suffer from the "inability to exercise free will"? Neither have the 100 million+ Americans who have tried it.

And that's why people refuse to listen people who have no idea what they're talking about.

126 posted on 01/16/2015 10:20:49 AM PST by gdani (Ebola exposed the U.S. as fearful, easy-to-manipulate weaklings)
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To: gdani
It was but one example. I never said marijuana use, historically, was as widespread as alcohol. But marijuana is not without its own users, across multiple countries & cultures, for centuries. Despite your lies/claims.

They are not even SLIGHTLY comparable. Alcohol consumption/acceptance throughout history is a million times more significant than was/is Marijuana usage. It is intellectually dishonest to even suggest a comparison between the two, but from long experience arguing with Libertarians, I have found that intellectual dishonesty appears to be a ubiquitous trait.

Perhaps another drug - opium - that enjoyed widespread use centuries ago would be more to your liking as an example?

If you want to talk about Opium, i'm perfectly ready to talk about Opium and the millions of people it has killed and the societies it has destroyed. We all know this "legalize marijuana" topic is just a stalking horse for overal and widespread legalization of all drugs.

Only in your world do I need to do that. Nobody else really cares what a Big Government advocate on a conservative message board thinks.

And as always, Libertarians trot out the "You are a "Big Government" advocate when you simply state that it is within the normal mandate of government to stop chemical weapons from infecting the population. I am not for "Big Government." I am for the exact amount necessary to do the job "Government" is supposed to do, and the primary thing that it is supposed to do is to maintain it's own existence and protect it's people from dangerous threats.

Any government which tolerates drugs will not be a government for very long. It will collapse with the rest of society as happened in China when drugs were legal there.

It will of course, be followed by a dictatorship (again as it happened in China) and all those "Freedoms" you people have been prattling about will be completely gone.

Please do. I am in awe of your powers of persuasion & debate tactics.

Well see there, you don't even know how this game works. It would take a fool indeed to think any rational argument or evidence would persuade, so that is obviously not the attempt here. The effort is to mock and ridicule stupid ideas until other non-Kool-aid drinking people can recognize the ideas as stupid and ridiculous.

We are playing "The Dozens" because I long ago realized that rational debate was an utter waste of time.

And ridiculous claims like this are exactly why people continue to tune out drug warriors.

No worries, they wouldn't listen to Cassandra either.

166 posted on 01/16/2015 11:47:03 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
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