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To: dontreadthis

I still like Warren Buffet’s idea: If spending exceeds revenues in any year by 3%, those sitting members of Congress cannot seek reelection.

To that, I’d add:

1. If you don’t pay federal income taxes, you don’t get to vote in federal elections. Nothing in the game, why should you? It might reduce the need to use my tax dollars to buy cell phones for deadbeats.

2. Congress cannot exempt itself from any law it passes.

3. Throw away the IRS Code and replace it with a flat 17% tax on income...no deductions, same rate for corporations and individuals. Yeah, I know it won’t happen, but it would be a hell of a lot better than the crap we have now.


4 posted on 01/09/2015 1:20:59 PM PST by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: econjack

There should be ZERO taxes on incomes. Our founding fathers knew why.


5 posted on 01/09/2015 1:24:03 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be outlawed and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: econjack; CodeToad

Any tax on income is slavery.

Period.


8 posted on 01/09/2015 1:29:31 PM PST by shibumi ("Walk through the fire - Fly through the smoke")
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To: econjack; All
1. If you don’t pay federal income taxes, you don’t get to
vote in federal elections. Nothing in the game, why should you?
WE had (30 yrs.)..got 3 different Cancers / type II, have you tried ..
to get a job over 50? ..really tried, until all saving/retirement funds were gone
voting is all, i have left.

11 posted on 01/09/2015 1:33:29 PM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Bathhouse" E'Bola/0'Boehmer/0'McConnell; all STINK and their best friends are flies. d8^)
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To: econjack

” If you don’t pay federal income taxes, you don’t get to vote in federal elections. “

How about getting the number of votes proportioned to the income taxes you pay.


16 posted on 01/09/2015 1:49:14 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: econjack
17%!?!?!?!?!?!

Let's try 12%.

49 posted on 01/09/2015 3:23:58 PM PST by Mariner (First the GOP must die. Everything else comes after that.)
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To: econjack; holdonnow
If spending exceeds revenues in any year by 3%, those sitting members of Congress cannot seek reelection

And who would you trust to do those calculations?

The problem with fixing spending, or taxation, or both to a percentage of "revenues", or "GDP", is that these are artificial numbers derived from a complex set of struggles in the bureaucracy or in Congress.

Once these numbers mean something - like how much the government can spend, or, God forbid, which Members of Congress have to get real jobs - they will become entirely artificial, instead of mostly artificial as they are now.

57 posted on 01/09/2015 3:52:53 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: econjack

> “Throw away the IRS Code and replace it with a flat 17% tax on income...no deductions, same rate for corporations and individuals. Yeah, I know it won’t happen, but it would be a hell of a lot better than the crap we have now.”

The original income tax of 1913 had a code that was 14 pages long and was flat with 7% on wealthy persons who made up less that 2% of the population. The rest were subject to a flat 1% on net disposable income. Tax filing was never required if no taxes were due. The result was 98% of the population never paid income taxes, never had to file and never thought about the income tax. There were no deductions as well.

That’s how the income tax was sold to the American people, as a tax on the rich and only 1% on everyone else if they had anything left over. Real slick way to worm in a monster among the public.

A few years back, the father of Bill Gates III Founder of Microsoft ran a campaign initiative to establish a state income tax in the State of Washington. Guess what the rate was? 1%. Sneaky, eh? His initiative failed. Beware of the 1% con artists.

How many flat taxes have been passed in American history? The first was a 1% flat tax no deductions in 1861 under Abraham Lincoln. Within a few years it started to grow and become graduated with higher rates for higher tax brackets. It got shot down as unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in the late 1860s.

Then a flat tax came back by legislation in Congress in the 1870s and it died later too. There was a 51 year history of flat tax no deduction ideas and laws from 1861 to 1913 when the 16th Amendment grew from a game of chicken between republicans and democrats. It wasn’t supposed to happen but both parties were playing a ‘I double dog dare you’ game.

So do you think you are the first person to think of a simple flat tax no deductions idea? No, you’re just another in a long line of such people.

And why doesn’t it work? Why don’t flat tax ideas and passed laws work out?

It’s because of the 16th Amendment. This amendment provides a license to Congress to do whatever they want in the arena of taxation.

Pass a flat tax no-deduction law in 2015 and you can be sure the next Congress in 2017 will play and tinker with it because they can. Because the 16th Amendment gives then license to tax income from whatever source.

A FLAT TAX NEVER STAYS FLAT!

I invite you to study up on the FairTax which does not require the 16th Amendment:

http://www.fairtaxplan.org/faq.php


83 posted on 01/09/2015 9:26:23 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: econjack

I agree except if your going to go that far with the constitution you might as well abolish the income tax which only effect Goods and services made by Americans unfairly and go with an income tax.


95 posted on 01/10/2015 5:56:54 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: econjack

I agree except if your going to go that far with the constitution you might as well abolish the income tax which only effect Goods and services made by Americans unfairly and go with an sales tax.


96 posted on 01/10/2015 5:57:59 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: econjack

Anything coming from Warren Buffet has an ulterior motive behind it.


170 posted on 01/13/2015 5:44:45 AM PST by OKSooner
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