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If Palin and Levin Walk, the 2016 Nomination Is Not Worth Having
American Thinker ^ | January 9, 2015 | M. Joseph Sheppard

Posted on 01/09/2015 7:04:41 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: AceMineral
The first thing a just elected Representative is going to do is vote against the current Speaker?

Damn right. Unless, of course, they're spineless cowards that bow to the GOP.

101 posted on 01/09/2015 12:46:24 PM PST by dware (The GOP is dead. Long live Conservatism.)
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To: arthurus
I hope the 2̀ declared Conservatives in the House will form a Conservative Caucus and refuse to participate in the Republican Caucus. The temptation is to say, "but then they will have no influence." They have no influence as it is, and no dignity either. The two parties in the House now are the Democrat Party and the Democrat Party Boehner Division.

BUMPITY BUMP. Well said.

102 posted on 01/09/2015 12:48:15 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
Wow -- what a great piece, thanks for posting it, 2ndDV! I hope everyone here reads it all the way through.

There is one place where I think I disagree -- he says, "The ball is in the Establishment's Court, not Palin's or Levin's ...."

Well, yeah, until the Republican presidential nominee is determined. I think it's woefully unrealistic to think the Establishment GOP protocol and hierarchy is going to turn around in less than two years to suddenly reflect "the base" and nominate an actual limited government conservative.

Once the nomination is determined, and if it goes as it probably will and a RINO functional Democrat-Republican is put forth as the desperate "alternative" to the eeeeeeeevil Democrat, the ball is most decidedly going to be in Palin's and Levin's court.

103 posted on 01/09/2015 1:04:35 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Or Mike Hucklechuckle.


104 posted on 01/09/2015 1:07:35 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: FewsOrange
If the “base” of a party doesn’t actually vote for the candidates that the party runs how can it be considered “the base”?

LOL!! Excellent question!

105 posted on 01/09/2015 1:10:46 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: 2CAVTrooper

Dragged with a chain—if you aske me-—We must be in the drivers seat!


106 posted on 01/09/2015 1:13:04 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Envisioning
(Ask Yourself This, Are You More Likely to be Infected or Beheaded Today Than You Were 6 Years Ago?)

Love your tagline!

I shamelessly stole it from another freeper.

isn't it appropriate?

107 posted on 01/09/2015 1:13:17 PM PST by The Bat Lady (Ask Yourself This, Are You More Likely to be Infected or Beheaded Today Than You Were 6 Years Ago?)
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To: ansel12

Perot’s Party must be Changed! Dump the Anti-Gun, Pro-abortion stuff! It could be pre-empted into something else.


108 posted on 01/09/2015 1:14:25 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I promise there will never be a Jeb Bush President. We’ve had enough of the Bushes.


109 posted on 01/09/2015 1:14:40 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
I believe a Christian has a responsibility before Christ to vote. Every election. No matter how disagreeable the choice.

I agree. Men shed blood for my right to vote. Not voting is a dereliction of duty except where you are forced to vote for a wicked element either way (as in CA's governor's race between Brown and Kashkari, two leftists, one in the Republican party; either way my vote would have been construed as endorsement of it); then my duty as a Christian is to withhold my elemental endorsement, my vote, from that agent.

Voting is a leadership function, and God WILL hold Christians accountable for the part they play.

That is fundamentally why I refused to vote for Romney in 2012. I knew God would hold me accountable if the bastard won. I voted third-party instead as a means to vote to diminish the popular mandate of whichever amoral leftist won, Romney or Obama.

110 posted on 01/09/2015 1:21:56 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: huldah1776; gdani
As a brain-soothing exercise, I keep an alphabetical coded log and crunch numbers.

In the past few months, for every FReeper who stands on the side of "any Republican is better than a Democrat and I'm going to keep on voting that way," there are about 1.8 FReepers who say, "Forget that loser's game." However, most FReepers either don't say one way or the other, or are too ambiguous to tell whether in the voting booth, they're willing to snub both the Republican and the Democrat.

In 2012, folks sure voted the same way I read them on FR, which was about 1.5 "screw Romney and the Donkey he rode in on" to every 1 "Romney's not as bad as Obama -- I'm voting for him." Romney lost. GOOD.

111 posted on 01/09/2015 1:41:30 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Mexican gang.” That’s good, descriptive and accurate.


112 posted on 01/09/2015 1:49:21 PM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: thestob
and of course that all leads to a Hillary landslide ....

No, it would lead to a Hillary plurality, the OPPOSITE of a landslide. A third-party bid like Perot's would protect us from any landslide for a leftist.

The so-called "popularity" of Bill Clinton was and is a MEDIA MYTH, because both times he was elected, the "landslide" was in the opposite direction -- a clear majority of Americans opposed him. It AIDED conservative elements in the Republican party. Most Americans opposed Clinton BOTH TIMES he was elected, thanks to Perot and the LACK of "landslide." We can only hope that the same would happen with Hillary. It would be a lot better than a real majority landslide for a functional leftist like Romney. That would be MUCH more dangerous, destructive, and poisonous.

I voted for a plurality in 2012, and if the GOP nominates, as it probably will, another functional Democrat in 2012, I will once again vote for a plurality. Because landslides for functional leftists are very, very ill advised.

113 posted on 01/09/2015 2:04:28 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

But we are not talking about revolution. We are talking about our responsibilities as Christians participating in a system which we intend to retain, and which we resolve to reform and restore.
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You are delusional if you don’t see that a revolution is taking place right before our eyes and both parties are complicit. The rino’s words may say reform, but there actions say something far different.

The sooner you understand that the 2016 vote will go even worse than 2012 if another rino is the candidate and begin spreading the word in your rino circles then the better the chance of an actual conservative winning the primary.


114 posted on 01/09/2015 2:28:15 PM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: Starstruck; Norm Lenhart; Windflier; All
"If the 'base' of a party doesn’t actually vote for the candidates that the party runs how can it be considered 'the base'?"

Conservatives are the base of an inverted pyramid.

BRILLIANT observation!

115 posted on 01/09/2015 2:38:25 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Starstruck

Indeed. But the whole system is upside down anyway.


116 posted on 01/09/2015 2:43:04 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Landru/Romney 2016: "Are you Of the Body, Brother?")
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To: DoodleDawg
If someone like Bush or Christie is the nominee then a large segment of the conservative base will walk, and they’ll walk regardless of what Palin or Levin do. They won’t have to be lead.

True I hope, but as well, for Palin and especially Levin and especially our beloved Rush, really the pioneer, to stand with us and say for us, "This is where my listeners stand because this is where I stand," would be to make it official, in a way. As long as Rush, Levin, and Palin urge me to vote for Romney, they can take a hike. Aren't they listening to themselves, I wonder?

All I know is that I'd love it if they cast off the Republican yoke.

117 posted on 01/09/2015 2:43:48 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
...we must cling to our higher calling and not give way to base impulses.

Dear Lucian, voting for Romney endorsed his square-left standing public record on abortion and the homosexual agenda (Gay Youth Pride, homosexual adoption). Those were only two of many reasons to firmly and rightly reject Romney for the depravity he represents. If you are a Christian, you know this. So if you voted for him, you voted out of FEAR of the Democrat.

You gave way to a base impulse and voted for an amoral statist bastard. Be grateful that he LOST. I am.

118 posted on 01/09/2015 2:51:30 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

California has 55 electoral votes.


119 posted on 01/09/2015 3:25:56 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: LucianOfSamasota
Nathan Hale was hanged as a spy during the American Revolution.

Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909), his great-nephew, is perhaps best known for the novel The Man without a Country.

Edward Everett (1794-1865), uncle of Edward Everett Hale, was the Constitutional Union candidate for Vice President in 1860, President of Harvard College, and the featured speaker at the dedication of the Gettysburg National Cemetery in 1863.

120 posted on 01/09/2015 3:36:04 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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