Posted on 12/17/2014 11:57:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
Just days before he shot to death a 17-year-old German exchange student, Markus Kaarma told hair stylists he had been waiting up to shoot some kids who were burglarizing homes.
He told them they would see it on the news.
Kaarma hoped to bait an intruder by leaving his garage door partially open and placing a purse inside, prosecutors said. And when he did, a motion detector alerted him early April 27. Kaarma took a shotgun outside and almost immediately fired four blasts into the garage. Diren Dede, unarmed, was hit twice. He died after the final shot hit him in the head.
For those reasons, Kaarma’s “castle doctrine” defense, which allows people to use deadly force to protect their home and family, failed him Wednesday. A Missoula jury convicted him of deliberate homicide. …
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I own a bunch of guns, personally, I would only shoot a somebody if my life was actually in danger. I could not bring myself to shoot a teenager, in my garage, who might be stealing my lawnmower.
Maybe a patrolling cop saw the open garage door and want to check to see if there was a robbery in progress....
At the very least, you should untie the shotgun from the chair before the police arrive.... It sounds like this man’s mouth is what got him in trouble.
Exactly right, if the guy hadn’t been looking to steal stuff in people’s garages, he’d be alive. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
“Stealing is mostly culturally incompatible with Germans.”
I would agree with you if the context were prior to German reunification.
Subsequently things turned noticeably worse in my experience.
I was assigned to Ramstein AB and lived in Kaiserslautern ‘89 - ‘93 and found a mostly noble culture (’red-light’ services were obvious near the base).
In contrast, while living in the town of Ramstein ‘04 -’10, I had a stereo stolen out of my car and a set of wheels and tires stolen by/from a mechanic’s shop after 2000.
Sadly, this demonstrate to me that the more current German culture is not so averse to theft.
Show me where Kaarma had reason to “fear for his life” and I will support the “Stand your ground” defense. I certainly understand his frustration, but rigging his garage to hold the perp(s) until the police arrive would have been a more reasonable action.
TO melsec, info to Olog-hai:
Leaving your property unsecured is not really bait - it doesn't matter if it you leave a $1000 bike sitting on your front porch - it is still illegal for someone to take it. When the take advantage of an unlocked garage and actually enter your abode, they have committed an even worse crime.
This guy's biggest mistake was voicing his frustrations and vocalizing that he was fed up enough to take action against those that invaded his home - if he had been silent, he wouldn't have been convicted. The jury got it wrong. Your assumption could also describe someone wearing an expensive piece of jewelry in public and being accosted by someone who wants to steal it - did they bait the person?
Cops set traps all the time and they are upheld. This case happened in a most liberal Montana city where the libs run things and the dead punk was a sweet German exchange student even though he was a Turk. The home owner made the mistake of talking about his plan but I would bet this gets overturned on apeal.
While I’m all for blasting away home invaders, etc. I think you’re on very weak moral ground here.
The shooter insured his own conviction when he told everyone he wanted to kill someone.
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/12/nm-threats-complicate-defense-of-self.html
It is ill advised to make statements to others or online that will haunt you later. While this case is about clear criminal intent, others, more innocent, can still get you in trouble.
This person should is guilty as hell. First off setting a trap is bogus, second what if it had been a small child that had wandered in to his garage, would you morons being still supporting him for murder.
You have to use reasonable force, not over react.
I noticed the same thing. Apparently only the governement can 'entrap' people.
Personally, I think the thief got what he deserved, and that this conviction is unjust.
If you don't want to get shot, don't steal things.
What did him in was opening his mouth.
If he'd just set the trap and kept his mouth shut about it, he'd be free and clear, and the taxpayers would have one less criminal stealing from them,
warfare?
Instant Kaarma got him.
Hold out baits to entice the enemy … (I:20)Thanks to liberal politicians, judges and lawyers, we are supposed to believe that criminals are not enemies, but wayward souls that can be “rehabilitated”—all while they tear down law and order themselves.
They still have one less criminal stealing from them. But the jury cannot appreciate that; they seem to want to have the government take more money from them to lock the criminals away so they can be let out to do more crime.
Diren Dede’s family is originally from Turkey.
So you’re actually claiming that Kaarma would have shot a “small child” because he just wanted to trap any human being to shoot rather than stop (a) criminal(s) who had been burglarizing him? never mind claiming that conservatives would support Kaarma if he did such a thing, which is utterly different from what he had done?
Methinks thou hast been in Maryland too long. Dede was no small child, and he did what he did quite deliberately.
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