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Bradley Stone cleared by Veterans Affairs doctor one week before murders, suicide
washingtontimes.com ^ | Dec. 17, 2014 | Jacqueline Klimas

Posted on 12/17/2014 12:24:53 PM PST by PROCON

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Tragic story.

Really, how is it possible for even a doctor to get inside the head of an individual and know his true state of mind?

1 posted on 12/17/2014 12:24:53 PM PST by PROCON
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To: PROCON

If you knew what the average V.A. doctor looks like, this wouldn’t surprise you in the least.


2 posted on 12/17/2014 12:26:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: PROCON

It seems clear that psychiatry is not an exact science. But since that is so, why do parole boards give so much weight to psychiatric recommendations that releasing a convict won’t harm the community?


3 posted on 12/17/2014 12:28:29 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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I have read that most vets are on numerous anti-depressants. Can someone confirm this?


4 posted on 12/17/2014 12:31:13 PM PST by Slyfox (To put on the mind of George Washington read ALL of Deuteronomy 28, then read his Farewell Address)
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I wonder what meds he was on. I had a friend whose shrink put her on an anti-anxiety drug for a prolonged period, mostly in an effort to get her into bed. When she tried to get off it she had all sorts of departures from reality. Periods of blackouts, an unscheduled trip to the Mexican border in the middle of the night in the middle of one of these delusional episodes. She had to go inpatient to get off the medicine.

Really scary. The cure was much worse than her original problems.

5 posted on 12/17/2014 12:33:03 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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I've been to VA docs for routine things.

It's my experience they are just as professional and competent as my civilian docs.

Sorry you've had bad experiences.

6 posted on 12/17/2014 12:33:17 PM PST by PROCON (Always give 100%...unless you're donating blood.)
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Most? I doubt that. Hell, half the boys in public school are on Ritalin.


7 posted on 12/17/2014 12:33:21 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: PROCON

I’ve been using the V.A. as my sole provider (with the exception of a few years in the 90’s) since I got out in 1983. I have yet to have an American-born physician or P.A. And I’ve lived in a lot of places.


8 posted on 12/17/2014 12:35:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: PROCON

We will likely never learn the ‘crap’ that went on in the ‘family court’ hearings. It doesn’t surprise me that most of these guy killing sprees are from desperation and a feeling that they have the ability to manage their families removed. The male has over time been the family leadering individual and family courts think they can just yank that, lots of times, based on lies and crap from the wife’s attorneys.

For every crazy guy there are hundreds more than are eaten inside by the family destroying, feminist system.


9 posted on 12/17/2014 12:35:37 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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Hell, half the boys in public school are on Ritalin.

While that's probably true, I believe the reason is that teachers don't want kids to be kids. It's too much effort. Kids are hyper and full of energy by their very definition.

Just MHO.

10 posted on 12/17/2014 12:37:56 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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That’s one aspect of psychiatry that isn’t well understood—the psychotic potential of anti-psychotics.

What I’m saying, is that psychiatrists who recommend criminal release are like banks playing with taxpayer money. They have no skin in the game. For example, if a jail shrink recommends release of a Level 3 sex offender because he seems rehabilitated, it’s on the public next time he goes off. There’s no downside to the psychiatrist. In fact, he might be marked on how many patients he “cures.”

It’s a tougher issue with people who are free and might be loony. It’s more difficult (and should be, to prevent political abuses) to commit them because they MIGHT go off. But cons are proven bad actors.


11 posted on 12/17/2014 12:37:57 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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The “psychiatrists” who work at the VA are not exactly Sigmund Freud. Then again ascertaining someone’s state of mind or real intentions is really not an exact exercise.


12 posted on 12/17/2014 12:39:25 PM PST by allendale
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19 years in plus 4 years at military college. Never on anything stronger than Advil. Don’t know about others in my unit. But why would I? It’s confidential. My unit has a much lower rate of medication though as we’re aviation. Pilots don’t like being grounded. Nor do crew chiefs.


13 posted on 12/17/2014 12:39:39 PM PST by strider44
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MrT5 worked as a veterans’ benefits counselor at the VA after being in the military for 30 years. If you could have heard what incompetence, laziness and just plain animosity toward veterans by some medical staff he and other benefits counselors dealt with, you would see just how possible that is...


14 posted on 12/17/2014 12:43:21 PM PST by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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I’m almost positive that psychoactive prescription drugs played a part in this. Doctors have to follow DSM-5 protocols for “insurance purposes” whether private or gubmint insurance….and DSM-5 is scandalously tied into the drug manufacturers….

This and more was revealed by Allen Frances, MD,who was Chair of the DSM 4 Task Force and outspoken critic of DSM-5. He is a former chair of the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science at Duke University School of Medicine

If you can stand clicking on HuffPo, you can read his articles here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-frances/


15 posted on 12/17/2014 12:48:58 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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It is not possible in many cases especially if the patient is smart and wants to be cleared. But the military is not the communion of saints. I knew plenty of guys in the Army who would not be permitted anywhere near my family but OTOH I would welcome them on my 6 in a fight. Go figure.


16 posted on 12/17/2014 12:52:01 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: PROCON

Routine is the name of the game.


17 posted on 12/17/2014 12:59:36 PM PST by boomop1
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To: Slyfox

Since there are about 23 million vets, no.


18 posted on 12/17/2014 1:00:51 PM PST by ansel12
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Every dollar given to a Veteran is a dollar the Democrats don’t have to buy Democrat votes.


19 posted on 12/17/2014 1:29:35 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Maybe he didn’t have such tendencies at the time of the meeting with the psychiatrist. Maybe he only had them later on.


20 posted on 12/17/2014 1:32:01 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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